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now on with the show

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today on the show we journey deep into

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the black vault with John Greenwald the

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fact that mr. Elizondo is out there and

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he's talking about this and it's open

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that to me shows that this is a very

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it's a real program I have no doubt

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about that but it's a very probably not

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so secretive program that some people

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want to believe the secret UFO study or

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the Pentagon's secret UFO study that

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obviously hit the media I think at this

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point is largely embellished this is

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[Music]

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan spray when I was first

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starting out as a young UFO researcher I

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did what every naive researcher does I

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basically wrote a broad letter to the

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White House saying dear government

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please give me all your information you

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have on UFOs little did I know getting

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information about UFOs from any type of

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officialdom was much much harder than I

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anticipated and that's when I stumbled

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across the black vault it completely

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changed the game for me with more than 2

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million pages of documents to read on

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nearly every government secret

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imaginable the black vault is known

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worldwide for getting down to the truth

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and nothing but every document in its

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archive was obtained through the foi egg

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or the Freedom of Information Act begun

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in 1996 at the age of 15 john greenwald

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began hammering the US government with

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foi a requests to obtain information the

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black vault is the result of that nearly

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two decades effort today we talk about

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what documents are most important

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pertaining to UFOs the rise and possible

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fall of 8/10 and to the Stars Academy

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and then Greenwald shares explosive news

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about a batch of documents he recently

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obtained in regards to behavioral

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modification and MKULTRA like

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experiments undertaken by the CIA I hope

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you enjoy John thank you so much for

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finally joining me on somewhere in the

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skies oh it's my pleasure man I'm

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excited to be here

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great I've been waiting so long to do

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this I've been a huge fan of your work

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for many years now I've listened to

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countless interviews you've done I seen

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you on TV and you are doing something in

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this field of you quote unquote ufology

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and beyond that very few people are

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willing to do and that's to dig deep

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into the documents that we have on these

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front of people and say look these are

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facts you can't really argue this so I'm

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really excited to dive deep into that

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tonight with you yeah same here by all

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means fire away any question you got I

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love documents real quick based on what

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you said I love documents just simply

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because they've always said the

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documents don't lie even though they

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could contain a lie what I mean by that

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is you don't need to take my word for

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what I say I can slap the document in

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front of you and there's actual proof

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about you know this story or that story

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or this claim or that claim whether or

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not you know there's lies within the

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line so that's something else but but

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that's why I love documents because you

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just can't refute them being so official

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that is a really really good point and

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for someone like me I I actually come

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from the other extreme I I rely solely

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on witness testimony the people having

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these experiences and you know that's

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kind of my ufology and when people ask

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me they're like well where's the data

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where's the evidence and I tell them

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that's not my thing that's not what I do

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in this field that's not my contribution

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testimony and know I can't back it up I

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can't prove it but sometimes that

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witness testimony is all we have to rely

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on to at least start to investigate and

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research something so when you have

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someone like me on one end of the

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spectrum and someone like you on the

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other all we can hope for is that we

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meet somewhere in the middle so yeah I

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think that's what's beautiful about this

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but yeah finding that common ground is

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important so that's why I really wanted

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to bring you on today because there's

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some documents and not documents that I

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want to get in to with you in a little

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while here but before we even get to

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that I do want to ask you you recently

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had Jeremy Korbel on the filming I did

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as well right before like you did the

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film premiered that bob lazar area 51 in

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flying saucers film I did have the

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pleasure of attending the the LA

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premiere here a couple nights ago and

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I mean 1,600 people showed up for this

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thing for a UFO documentary I yeah it

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was amazing to see those photos but I

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sadly and within driving distance

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I just wasn't you know with kids

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everything it becomes a little bit more

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difficult with planning I mean you need

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to like have a six month you know head

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start of planning and babysitter so

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sadly I didn't get to go but I was

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excited to see the pictures and that you

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attended and must have been amazing to

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see that many people and bob lazar and

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george knapp all on stage answering

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question i must have been very very cool

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it was cool and I will admit I mean

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there was a Q&A after with Bob George

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and Jeremy and it got a little heated as

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it should I mean this story is extremely

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controversial so that being said you did

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see the film I did I have to ask you man

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it's out there in the public know

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whether Jeremy likes it or not the

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praise I hate somewhere between what do

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you think of the film where do you

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personally stand on the whole lazar

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story and maybe even what what did this

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film do for you if anything well let me

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first say this I I am friends with

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Jeremy I have a lot of respect for him

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as you know I work in television as well

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and and have made a lot of documentaries

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and work for History Channel Discovery

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Channel and I have a lot of respect for

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those who make programs and produce

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because it's a it's a lot of work you

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know I may not ultimately agree with the

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message by the end of the you know our

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and a half or two hour but I have a lot

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of respect for that he's also very good

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at what he does he has a great

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storytelling sense and I complimented

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him when I did in the interview with him

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and I meant this and I'll say it again

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now he's got a knack for really getting

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into the human element to these stories

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which I'm sure just knowing you

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resonates with you as well because

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there's people behind these stories and

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a lot of times you trash those people we

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don't know if Bob Lazar is making this

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up or if he's just outright lying or if

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it really happened to him or if it

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didn't happen but he truly believes it

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there's a lot of different possibilities

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here but the point that I'm trying to

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make as Jeremy has this great ability to

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get into the human element to these

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stories he did it with skinwalker

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showed you know the people around that

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ranch he did it with this one so I have

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a lot of respect there now to your

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question I you know the Bob Lazar story

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I've been around this field since 1996

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not to age myself and I was 15 years old

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when I started and the Bob Lazar story

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it was something that I had heard about

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in the early days and and I've seen a

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lot of the research that has been done I

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brought it up with Jeremy and I think

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there are important questions that my

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buddy Stanton Friedman has brought up

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and the research that he initially did I

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know Jeremy felt that there was a very

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negative attack by Stanton against Bob

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and you know what I don't speak for Stan

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maybe there was I'm not really sure but

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at the at the end of the day some of

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those questions are still kind of

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unanswered and they're important ones I

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think Jeremy hits some of them in the

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film like the telephone book question

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mark which kind of helps support that he

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worked at los alamos but did he I mean

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could he have appeared in that telephone

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book being a contractor with somebody

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that worked with Los Alamos that is

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actually a possibility so not

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necessarily working for the lab but

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potentially a company that worked as a

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contract or something like that you know

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there's a lot of different explanations

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so you know it was the film good

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absolutely was it worth seeing

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absolutely is it very cool to see Bob

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Lazar no matter what you think of his

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story in 2018 yeah absolutely but at the

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end of the day for me anyway I still

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have questions and you know I told

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Jeremy because I did bring up some of

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the skepticism and you know as a as a

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filmmaker I didn't want to just blow his

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whole documentary to say well Jeremy the

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kicker of your film was you know because

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that's just not not fair so I wanted to

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respect that in the interview but I put

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the invitation out there and he is

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excited to come back after people have

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had an opportunity to see the film and

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tackle some of those other questions

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some new questions that arose after that

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that documentary but also some ones that

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lasting for about 25-30 years and they

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still kind of remain unanswered so and I

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think Jeremy would

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agree with that I again don't mean that

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negatively but I think that there are a

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lot of things that we need to deal with

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to really get to the point of believing

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the story behind Bob Lazar exactly and

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you know I sort of feel the same way I

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left the film feeling the same way I did

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about the story beforehand and that's no

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sleight against Jeremy whatsoever it's

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such a contentious story to begin with

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what what really resonated with me like

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you said is that human element seeing

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Bob understanding Bob in hearing his own

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words this story you know for someone

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like let's say my girlfriend who went

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with me to this premiere she knew

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nothing about the story she always

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thought Bob Lazar was a con man a

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grifter and after viewing the film and

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then seeing him in person at the event

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it completely changed her perception of

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him she's like I actually genuinely

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think that something happened with him

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and that he saw what he says he saw and

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I want to learn more about it so right

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there that kind of solidified it for me

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that Jeremy succeeded in terms of

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keeping the conversation going in terms

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of this and asking new questions so like

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you said I really hope he comes back on

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your show I hope you press him I know

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you know the reviews and what reactions

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to the film have been very mixed but for

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me personally I think this is the

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strongest film he's done yet I think

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he's growing as both a filmmaker and a

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storyteller mm-hmm and I again like

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jeremy has said it's gotten this story

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out to a whole new generation I saw so

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many young people at this premiere and

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that was enough for me to be like

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awesome a new generation now knows the

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name Lazar and let's say for just you

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know to play devil's advocate it's all

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at least we can now break it

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down again

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with new people new eyes and a fresh

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perspective so yeah and you've got no

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argument from me there I think that that

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the field overall I mean they do need

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the discussion we need to talk we need

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to ask questions and one of my tag lines

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for the black vault comm since almost

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day one has been discover the truth and

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what I really truly mean by that

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is a challenged for people to discover

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what that truth really is whether it be

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about UFOs or mind-control or chemical

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weapons or you know I mean I deal with a

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lot of stuff obviously we're talking

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about UFOs today but I deal with a lot

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of stuff and I put that challenge out

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there to people to really ultimately ask

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those questions and discover the truth

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and when a documentary comes around that

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gets people talking like you said on

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both ends of the spectrum I don't see it

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as a bad thing I may not ultimately

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believe the you know Bob Lazar story but

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you know what it's getting people to ask

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those questions and maybe open up a book

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and maybe see well what what goes

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against what Bob Lazar says well this

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actually supports what he's saying and

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again it's just that challenge of

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people's own beliefs to get interested

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because let's face it I mean when when

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when you just keep hearing I mean I work

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in television so I hate to trash it but

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you watch certain television

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documentaries and you see the same stuff

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like over and over and then you know you

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see the same stories and what kind of

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drives me nuts and I won't name names

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but as as the years progressed

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quote-unquote new evidence comes out on

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cases that are like decades old and like

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well wait a minute why didn't you

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remember that then or come out with this

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then or you know I mean there's just

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certain questions that definitely arise

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when you when you start retelling those

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stories and and for the most part it

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gets a little bit silly and tiresome to

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get through it but hey we haven't heard

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from and I said this in my show to

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Jeremy and maybe he might disagree with

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me on it but lazar just kind of largely

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disappeared in this field yeah you know

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and and and not and I don't mean just

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the person in my opinion more so the

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story you know it's just kind of like he

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came about he was obviously global news

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30 years ago but then it just kind of

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died and then people moved on so that

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refreshment of that story I I think it's

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a good thing I think it gets people

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talking

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alright Jeremy's gotten enough enough

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acknowledgement on this episode yeah

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let's not talk about that guy ya know he

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is a friend of mine as well so you know

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of course I'm gonna support his work do

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I agree with all that

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solutely not but he's trying and that's

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all we can ask for in this field so in

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terms of trying for some of my listeners

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who may not be familiar with who you are

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what you do I never want to assume you

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know we were always gaining new

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listeners could you sort of explain to

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us the inception of the black vault and

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what it is where it came from and where

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it stands today

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sure well I briefly mention 22 years ago

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and I was a 15 year old kid who was

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struck with curiosity about UFOs and

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ultimately the government connection I

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made the very stupid decision when I was

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very young although it all ultimately

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led to one of the best decisions of my

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life to believe that if anybody was

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going to tell me the truth behind UFOs

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it would be the US government and I

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really did think that when I was 15

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because you know as I just talked about

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where you see the same stories rehashed

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even back then Google wasn't even a

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thing yet it was Alta Vista and you know

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when you searched then there was

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hundreds of thousands of pages on UFOs

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now it's like tens of millions but you

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see the same stuff over and over and I

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just started researching using the

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Freedom of Information Act u.s.

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government documents to see what I can

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get

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I read about a document I don't claim to

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discover this this was written about

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four years in fact I think it came out

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before I was born about the 1976 or an

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incident and this was something that

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really piqued my interest being that

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teenager with curiosity the website that

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I found this one document on and there

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was nothing else it was just this if I

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recall that they had this four-page

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document on and it really reads like an

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x-files episode I mean it really you

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know it describes multiple UFOs shutting

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down various f4 phantom jets it just was

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a really amazing story to read again

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from 1976 and it said it was an official

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US government document and I didn't

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believe it I had never heard of what was

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called a Defense Intelligence Agency at

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the time or the DIA and we all hear

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about the CIA or the FBI and you know

442
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nowadays much more about the NSA but dia

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is is you know back then was not really

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talked about that much

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okay this is this got to be bunk and I

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filed that FOIA request and that four

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page document came verbatim

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word-for-word into my mailbox I read it

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it was real and I was hooked from there

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on out

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I created the black vault comm back in

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96 I modeled it after actually what I

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was looking for so when I when I read

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that document and they said you can file

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this FOIA require a Freedom of

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Information Act request I thought you

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know what the hell was that I don't know

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what the hell that is but hey

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government's going to send it for me

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send it to me for free why non so I you

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know sent it off when I realized it was

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real I ran back to the internet and

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thought okay well you know logged on on

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my al 1.04 dass I think it was but

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looking for anything else and to be

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honest with you there was nothing so I

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modeled the black Bob calm after what I

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was looking for and what I was trying to

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find it just didn't exist and so I made

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it and I just started scanning documents

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I started filing the FOIA requests and

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started getting you know hundreds which

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turned into thousands of pages on UFOs

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and then I expanded to everything else

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here we are 22 years later I passed well

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over two million pages early this year

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Wow

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so yeah so there's two million pages of

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government documents on there to

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download and it's all free I mean I

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don't charge for it at all and people

482
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can go on and and you don't even need to

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register you just start downloading and

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it's become fairly popular I mean it's

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it serves about about 16 to 25 thousand

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people a day which are unique people the

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hits as hundreds of thousands every day

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but the the number of people that log on

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to the website is about 16 to 25,000

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depending upon the day of the week and

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it's amazing I mean it's amazing to see

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how much interest people have in

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discovering the truth you know and

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logging on and downloading this

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information whether it be about UFOs or

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you know anything else it is amazing to

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see those numbers that people actually

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do still care beyond their you know

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seventy five word tweet or whatever the

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character limit is now that they that

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they care to read and and that's a very

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encouraging

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what the black vault is and and you know

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hi I have done it now for 22 years and

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probably won't stop anytime soon

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I assume it wasn't an easy sort of you

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know bell curve there was probably a lot

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of learning to do I mean I tried to

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request certain documents and I get back

510
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nothing because I would assume I'm first

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of all not doing the request correctly

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I'm not going to the right agency and

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that's sort of something I learned from

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you the the only documents I've ever

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received were again about the Tehran

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incident and I learned that from you I

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knew where to go what to specifically

518
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ask for so how was that process in

519
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learning who to actually reach out to

520
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you can't just say dear government tell

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me what you know about UFOs it's just

522
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yeah it's not that easy they don't

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necessarily have the time or the

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wherewithal to answer every request so

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if you're not putting the work in

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they're not gonna either am I correct in

527
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that well by law I mean the process is

528
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is it sucks to learn I'm just gonna be

529
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playing politely honest with you the

530
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process works but it sucks to learn and

531
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what I mean by that there's a lot of you

532
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know different hoops you got to jump

533
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through and and it's it's like playing a

534
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game that the government made up they're

535
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making the rules they're the referee

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there's no instruction book and you just

537
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kind of got to figure it out you know

538
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and you're trying to win I mean that's

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that's really the easiest way to

540
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describe it that by law you are afforded

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the right that they need to respond now

542
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if you didn't work your request right

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they'll reject it and that's fairly

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frustrating but you have to find the

545
00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:05,820
happy medium that you're descriptive

546
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:08,280
enough that they will process your

547
00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:10,530
request and ultimately you sent it to

548
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:13,110
the right place but not too descriptive

549
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:14,970
where you file a request and you only

550
00:22:21,530 --> 00:22:18,480
get the 1976 Iran incident document and

551
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,540
so you have to kind of skate that line

552
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:23,760
that if you're too specific you're

553
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,530
missing out on stuff if you're too broad

554
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:27,120
they'll reject it and tell you to go

555
00:22:31,340 --> 00:22:29,370
away you know or you'll have to read you

556
00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:31,350
know refil so there's definitely a

557
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:33,510
learning curve but once you kind of

558
00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:36,090
start start using it you realize that it

559
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:37,080
does work

560
00:22:42,020 --> 00:22:39,330
some agencies you're right they won't

561
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:42,030
say that they'll accept a request where

562
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:43,280
you say give me everything you have on

563
00:22:50,030 --> 00:22:47,520
XYZ but you learn how to ask for certain

564
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:50,040
things and what type of program are you

565
00:22:54,190 --> 00:22:51,930
researching or what type of topic are

566
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,200
you researching you learn four different

567
00:22:58,340 --> 00:22:56,640
workarounds to that I call them

568
00:23:00,440 --> 00:22:58,350
broad-stroke requests so a broad stroke

569
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:00,450
request give me everything on UFOs well

570
00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:02,490
since so many people have done UFO

571
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:04,710
requests over the years many agencies

572
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:07,890
actually will process that like the CIA

573
00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:10,770
or the DIA for the most part they'll

574
00:23:13,070 --> 00:23:12,060
process it and give you everything

575
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:13,080
because they've already done the

576
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:14,730
searches the documents have been

577
00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:17,130
discovered before but a lot of times

578
00:23:21,230 --> 00:23:19,380
they omit things and you have to again

579
00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:21,240
read between the lines to see how many

580
00:23:27,490 --> 00:23:24,120
pages are they withholding and it and it

581
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:27,500
really is like this giant tree that

582
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:30,480
branches off you file that FOIA request

583
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:32,970
at your trunk and it just branches off

584
00:23:37,460 --> 00:23:34,890
into multiple different FOIA requests

585
00:23:39,860 --> 00:23:37,470
different directions to different

586
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:39,870
agencies and it just keeps going and

587
00:23:45,410 --> 00:23:43,710
going so it's a learning curve I'm not

588
00:23:48,530 --> 00:23:45,420
gonna lie but it's well worth it because

589
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:48,540
you make discoveries in some cases that

590
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:50,610
no one else has ever found before

591
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:53,760
because those broad-stroke requests will

592
00:23:58,130 --> 00:23:55,740
omit certain things you got to learn

593
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:58,140
like what possibly could they omit and

594
00:24:02,330 --> 00:24:00,000
you just have to dig and dig and dig

595
00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:02,340
until you finally get that little gold

596
00:24:08,030 --> 00:24:04,950
nugget but one of my favorite lines in

597
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:08,040
the movie was searching for a needle in

598
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:11,010
a stack of needles and that's wait

599
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:12,240
here's some trivia do you know what

600
00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:15,840
movie that's from no oh say Saving

601
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,230
Private Ryan ah yeah I thought you were

602
00:24:24,290 --> 00:24:22,080
gonna get that so but but it but it

603
00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:24,300
really it proves true to something like

604
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:26,100
this where you're you know you're just

605
00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:28,020
kind of searching for that one document

606
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:31,260
in a mountain of information but when

607
00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:33,450
you find it and in in some cases where

608
00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:35,460
you find thousands of them it makes it

609
00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:38,280
very worthwhile I can only imagine and I

610
00:24:43,910 --> 00:24:41,100
mean I came across one on your website

611
00:24:46,910 --> 00:24:43,920
that you've stated is possibly the most

612
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:46,920
important UFO document you came across

613
00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:49,530
in terms of the Air Force is this

614
00:24:52,220 --> 00:24:50,790
something you're that

615
00:24:56,590 --> 00:24:52,230
you could sort of run us through here

616
00:25:00,110 --> 00:24:56,600
this airforce instruction yes the

617
00:25:02,450 --> 00:25:00,120
airforce instruction 10-2 0-6 is what I

618
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:02,460
believe you're referring to yes yep in

619
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:06,000
my opinion this is a one of and I'm not

620
00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:07,290
trying to pat myself on the back don't

621
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,240
get me wrong but I think it's a it's one

622
00:25:15,620 --> 00:25:12,240
of the most important finds that has

623
00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:15,630
never been out in the UFO field and

624
00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:18,270
arena since I had discovered it back in

625
00:25:24,140 --> 00:25:22,140
2000 it's been a long time the the short

626
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,150
way to explain this is you have to

627
00:25:29,270 --> 00:25:27,600
understand what the government wants you

628
00:25:31,460 --> 00:25:29,280
to believe about UFOs now what the

629
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:31,470
government documents say but what they

630
00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:33,570
want you to believe and the nutshell

631
00:25:40,910 --> 00:25:38,190
version is that from 1947 the 1969 they

632
00:25:43,570 --> 00:25:40,920
investigated over 12,000 cases under

633
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:43,580
project sine grudge and blue book and

634
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,610
about 701 remained unidentified arguably

635
00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:49,200
that number is much higher but that's a

636
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,750
different conversation and so they they

637
00:25:56,060 --> 00:25:54,240
did their due diligence they did the

638
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:56,070
scientific method they came up with

639
00:26:00,530 --> 00:25:58,620
nothing they summarized blue book in a

640
00:26:03,290 --> 00:26:00,540
fact sheet I call this the company line

641
00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:03,300
so the company line is touted by every

642
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,460
government agency out there so if you

643
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,960
take their word for it you just kind of

644
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:09,120
shut up and go away what they want you

645
00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:10,860
to believe is that that investigation

646
00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:14,940
was the end of their interest in 1969

647
00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:18,840
technically January of 1970 is when they

648
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:21,720
closed Project Blue Book for good now

649
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,330
fast forward throughout every government

650
00:26:28,790 --> 00:26:27,120
agency that I went to after I received

651
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:28,800
that four-page government document on

652
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:32,310
the Teran incident every agency had

653
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:36,290
documents after 1969 this is key because

654
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:39,690
obviously they're telling you in one

655
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,020
breath that they have no interest I have

656
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:45,360
one agency that actually highlighted no

657
00:26:48,620 --> 00:26:47,490
other government agency has ever taken

658
00:26:52,670 --> 00:26:48,630
an interest in UFOs

659
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:52,680
since then then being 1969 in the close

660
00:26:57,290 --> 00:26:54,450
of Bluebook so they're very adamant

661
00:27:01,910 --> 00:26:57,300
about telling you they have no interest

662
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:01,920
and yet the CIA the DIA the nation's

663
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:04,650
intelligence agencies are collecting

664
00:27:10,580 --> 00:27:08,610
UFO intelligence well after 1969 now

665
00:27:14,540 --> 00:27:10,590
without going into a three-hour you know

666
00:27:17,420 --> 00:27:14,550
diatribe here the thought that I had as

667
00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:17,430
I'm getting these not 10 or 12 or 100 or

668
00:27:23,299 --> 00:27:20,100
200 but literally thousands of pages of

669
00:27:26,330 --> 00:27:23,309
UFO related documents that should not

670
00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:26,340
exist I figured that there had to be

671
00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:29,820
some type of you know manual or of some

672
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:32,220
kind now we do know and have known for

673
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:34,980
decades about some of them some Air

674
00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:37,410
Force malaysian z' and manuals outlined

675
00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:39,540
how to report ufos through a blue book

676
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:43,080
obviously rescinded in 1969 there was

677
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:45,690
another one discovered called janap 146

678
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:47,370
that was joint army navy airforce

679
00:27:53,150 --> 00:27:51,570
publication or 146 that applied to not

680
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:53,160
only the United States military but

681
00:27:59,360 --> 00:27:56,250
Canada talked about UFO reports well

682
00:28:03,049 --> 00:27:59,370
after 1969 and they called him service

683
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:03,059
reports cir vis and it stood for

684
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:05,370
communication instructions for reporting

685
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:07,890
vital intelligence sightings now again

686
00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:10,290
none of this should exist if you believe

687
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:13,020
the company line and yet and here it was

688
00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:14,010
in black and white

689
00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:16,830
now it's believed that janap 146 was

690
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:20,220
rescinded many years ago post 1969 but

691
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:22,650
still rescinded nonetheless so i thought

692
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:24,090
okay there's got to be something else

693
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:27,480
and i'm summarizing here years worth of

694
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:29,970
research so forgive me i'm not trying to

695
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:32,820
jump around too much but what I

696
00:28:36,970 --> 00:28:33,809
discovered

697
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:36,980
searching survey's was purely accidental

698
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:41,610
in about 2000 and I did a search on Alta

699
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:44,880
Vista and I was surprised and and

700
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:47,490
actually I was I don't know why but I

701
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:50,850
printed out the original search results

702
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,770
page because I figured it might be

703
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:54,720
important one day and I still have it

704
00:29:00,320 --> 00:28:57,840
I'm coming out with a book and in April

705
00:29:02,510 --> 00:29:00,330
and the publishing company asked me for

706
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:02,520
a bunch of visuals and sure enough I was

707
00:29:06,650 --> 00:29:03,330
looking for a couple

708
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:06,660
I discovered that years ago and it's

709
00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:08,730
been in my filing cabinet untouched for

710
00:29:15,050 --> 00:29:13,020
like you know 15 18 years now the

711
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:15,060
original search result page from Alta

712
00:29:18,620 --> 00:29:18,090
Vista the last result on the page after

713
00:29:21,940 --> 00:29:18,630
searching

714
00:29:25,790 --> 00:29:21,950
Survey's was a reference to an air force

715
00:29:27,650 --> 00:29:25,800
in air force instruction 10 - to 0-6

716
00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:27,660
it's also referred to as Air Force

717
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:29,340
manual 10 - to 0-6

718
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:31,890
click on the link it was broken and I

719
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:33,480
thought well that's weird why would an

720
00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:35,610
Air Force manual come up with Survey's

721
00:29:40,790 --> 00:29:38,790
and fast forwarding filed the FOIA

722
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:40,800
request got the actual instruction and

723
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:43,650
sure enough in a manual that's dated

724
00:29:49,940 --> 00:29:46,740
well into the 2000s now chapter 5 was

725
00:29:54,170 --> 00:29:49,950
all about UFOs how to report them where

726
00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:54,180
to report him to and massoud like not a

727
00:29:59,780 --> 00:29:56,100
big deal but keep in mind this is the

728
00:30:02,270 --> 00:29:59,790
very agency that invented the company

729
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:02,280
line there are the ones that said we did

730
00:30:06,740 --> 00:30:04,530
this already not interested don't care

731
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:06,750
don't bother us by the way we have a

732
00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:08,910
manual that completely outlines and

733
00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:11,640
details how to report a UFO come on you

734
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:13,580
know I mean that's that's utterly

735
00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:16,410
ridiculous but that's what that's what

736
00:30:20,140 --> 00:30:18,750
they had and you know I mean I could

737
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:20,150
keep going with this story but but that

738
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:23,820
manual in my opinion is something that's

739
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:25,530
very very important now one last thing

740
00:30:28,550 --> 00:30:27,510
that I'll add on this and I don't know

741
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,560
if you want me to keep going with it

742
00:30:34,250 --> 00:30:31,200
because these the investigation still

743
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:34,260
kind of continued but when I discovered

744
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,260
it in 2000 then it was 2001 because all

745
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:39,840
of these FOIA requests take time as the

746
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:41,700
years went on I did work it into a

747
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:43,710
couple History Channel shows that I had

748
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:46,410
created and we sold them and then I got

749
00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:49,110
to go on to produce and write some of

750
00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:51,870
them I was able to work in this document

751
00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:54,420
because it was crucial to showing that

752
00:30:58,910 --> 00:30:55,580
present-day

753
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,920
interest but through this process I was

754
00:31:03,890 --> 00:31:00,960
also able to prove that the manual was

755
00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:03,900
being updated and changed now why is

756
00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:06,120
this important because a skeptic could

757
00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:07,860
argue well you know what John yeah that

758
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:11,430
sounds interesting and all but 10 - 2:06

759
00:31:16,220 --> 00:31:14,610
was a forgotten lost you know it stayed

760
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:16,230
on the books but they didn't really care

761
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:17,730
you know of course that's going to be a

762
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:20,250
skeptical reaction I was able to prove

763
00:31:28,910 --> 00:31:25,260
that it was frequently updated all the

764
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:28,920
way through about 2008 and UFOs never

765
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:32,220
came out now what that means is is they

766
00:31:38,140 --> 00:31:34,440
never lost interest in a publication

767
00:31:42,020 --> 00:31:38,150
they were actively editing changing

768
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:42,030
altering and yet UFOs remained my whole

769
00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:43,890
point with that is they had ample

770
00:31:48,830 --> 00:31:47,070
opportunity to delete that reference and

771
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:48,840
go well you know what this was leftover

772
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:52,530
from you know the sixties or yeah

773
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,510
whatever cockamamie reason they would

774
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,360
want to bring up but the end so that was

775
00:32:02,840 --> 00:31:59,580
their out and they never took it they

776
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:02,850
left UFOs in there so I had worked it

777
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:04,650
into some History Channel documentaries

778
00:32:09,169 --> 00:32:07,049
it fared very well in there because

779
00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:09,179
obviously it was real and History

780
00:32:13,159 --> 00:32:11,580
Channel loves documents so you know

781
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:13,169
there was some great synergy there and

782
00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:17,580
so about 2000 I don't remember the exact

783
00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:19,140
year but this was about three years ago

784
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,990
four years ago approximately my friend

785
00:32:27,049 --> 00:32:24,080
Leif Spiegel from The Huffington Post

786
00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:27,059
formerly The Huffington Post he's moved

787
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:28,830
on and in fact it's a couple years more

788
00:32:33,890 --> 00:32:32,520
sorry it's 2011 so he said he caught in

789
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:33,900
it so again I've worked it into

790
00:32:41,899 --> 00:32:36,809
documents documentaries and so this is

791
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:41,909
about about 2011 was about 11 years

792
00:32:46,460 --> 00:32:43,860
after I had discovered it and had been a

793
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:46,470
couple years in the documentaries and so

794
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:49,020
Lee calls me and he says hey Jon want to

795
00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:50,940
do an interview with you and the black

796
00:32:54,919 --> 00:32:53,070
vault and I said great because he wanted

797
00:32:57,409 --> 00:32:54,929
to cover it in The Huffington Post when

798
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:57,419
he was working for them and one very

799
00:33:02,570 --> 00:32:59,700
frequently asked question during these

800
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:02,580
types of interviews is what are the top

801
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:05,760
five documents so I love talking about

802
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,159
the 1976 Iran incident I love talking

803
00:33:12,140 --> 00:33:10,320
about you know Air Force regulation or

804
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,150
manual 10 - 2:06

805
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:15,120
and I selected a couple others 10 - to

806
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:16,890
0-6 stuck out to Lee is something very

807
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:19,890
important and and rightfully so I mean

808
00:33:23,510 --> 00:33:22,080
it is so he does what any good

809
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:23,520
investigative journalist would do he

810
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:25,049
picks up the phone he calls the Pentagon

811
00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:27,450
for comment nobody wants to talk to him

812
00:33:32,539 --> 00:33:29,460
he leaves a message a couple days go by

813
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:32,549
he's still working on his story and they

814
00:33:36,919 --> 00:33:34,260
never return his call he's called a

815
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:36,929
couple times and I remember I talked

816
00:33:41,899 --> 00:33:38,820
about this also I had him on my show

817
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:41,909
because it's such a cool story but it

818
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:43,740
was a Friday night I was visiting my

819
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:44,910
sister

820
00:33:51,020 --> 00:33:47,760
and it was kind of late and Lee's back

821
00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:51,030
east he's in New York and he's a couple

822
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:52,980
hours ahead obviously and so if it's

823
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,050
late for me it's really late for him and

824
00:33:58,820 --> 00:33:57,120
it's a little odd for him to call and he

825
00:34:02,480 --> 00:33:58,830
calls you John you're not gonna believe

826
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:02,490
this and I said what and very quickly I

827
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:04,710
had walked Lee through even though I

828
00:34:09,830 --> 00:34:06,450
showed him the document I walk Lee

829
00:34:12,919 --> 00:34:09,840
through downloading this Air Force

830
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:12,929
manual 10-2 0-6 from the Air Force

831
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:15,090
talk about hiding it in plain sight

832
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:17,250
right they have these databases that you

833
00:34:23,330 --> 00:34:20,879
can use and and that was not around in

834
00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:23,340
2000 when I discovered this thing but

835
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:24,899
since then it was an Air Force

836
00:34:29,659 --> 00:34:27,480
publications database of like every Air

837
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:29,669
Force publication that was still on the

838
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:32,250
books that was key and so I walked him

839
00:34:36,919 --> 00:34:34,050
through downloading it and and he was

840
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:36,929
pretty impressed by that that the Air

841
00:34:45,110 --> 00:34:40,379
Force has this on their website at this

842
00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:45,120
point in 2011 and anybody can download

843
00:34:49,850 --> 00:34:47,460
it and so he goes back to download as

844
00:34:51,580 --> 00:34:49,860
he's finishing the story and chapter 5

845
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:51,590
which was all about service and

846
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:55,610
specifically mentions UFOs was gone and

847
00:35:00,320 --> 00:34:58,770
I hurt so he tells me this over the

848
00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:00,330
telephone and I'm not really by a

849
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,180
computer and I said ok to myself I'm

850
00:35:08,330 --> 00:35:05,520
thinking he just messed up right you

851
00:35:10,610 --> 00:35:08,340
know he downloaded the wrong manual

852
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:10,620
clicked on the wrong link so I said let

853
00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:12,420
me get home I'll double check and sure

854
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:15,420
enough chapter 5 was was gone it was

855
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:18,480
just completely erased and the new

856
00:35:25,580 --> 00:35:22,740
chapter 5 was about hurricanes and to

857
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:25,590
summarize this the Air Force literally

858
00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:28,410
deleted the entire chapter not one word

859
00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:31,320
or one line the entire chapter about

860
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:36,060
service about 48 hours after Lee's phone

861
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:38,280
call that he was going to profile the

862
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:40,890
black vault and the discovery of Air

863
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:43,920
Force manual 10 - to 0-6 Wow and it was

864
00:35:48,830 --> 00:35:45,990
like they kicked it into overdrive to

865
00:35:52,270 --> 00:35:48,840
get that thing changed and so now I

866
00:35:54,860 --> 00:35:52,280
filed a FOIA request for all of the

867
00:35:57,140 --> 00:35:54,870
change logs because every time a

868
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:57,150
government manual has changed there's

869
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:58,650
logs

870
00:36:02,270 --> 00:36:00,540
and I actually got that under the

871
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:02,280
Freedom of Information Act and I wrote

872
00:36:05,290 --> 00:36:03,570
about this in the book that's coming out

873
00:36:09,590 --> 00:36:05,300
next year because I find it fascinating

874
00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:09,600
the changelog is full of spelling errors

875
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:11,940
meaning that it was incredibly rushed

876
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:14,610
that's my interpretation anyway okay

877
00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:18,180
incredibly rushed to get that out and so

878
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:19,230
the changelog they're just like

879
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:20,700
frantically oh yeah we're not interested

880
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:23,310
in this anymore and so on and so they

881
00:36:29,090 --> 00:36:26,250
just rushed it and 48 hours after his

882
00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:29,100
phone call it was gone so I have all the

883
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:30,840
changelogs was able to show that they

884
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:32,970
had ample opportunity to take that out

885
00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:36,710
the good the coincidence

886
00:36:42,340 --> 00:36:40,230
the coincidence chance on that is what I

887
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,350
mean how big do you think that that's

888
00:36:47,780 --> 00:36:44,700
drastical incidents there's one thing to

889
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:47,790
be conspiratorial but that like that's

890
00:36:52,850 --> 00:36:50,970
astounding within 48 hours I mean wow

891
00:36:54,110 --> 00:36:52,860
that's ridiculous yeah yeah it really is

892
00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:54,120
and I didn't mean to go on too long

893
00:37:00,140 --> 00:36:57,350
there but I it's an amazing story that

894
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:00,150
you know and kudos to leave for for

895
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:02,250
spearheading getting the you know the

896
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:04,530
Pentagon to respond even though the

897
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:07,320
response was changing the the manual

898
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:10,920
it shows the lengths they will go to

899
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:13,650
cover up that interest and that's what

900
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:15,570
keeps me motivated to keep searching for

901
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:19,380
more because you can't argue that going

902
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:20,910
back to what I said the documents don't

903
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:24,000
lie they may be lying about them but the

904
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:25,890
documents themselves you can't go back

905
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:29,130
and erase that history that they never

906
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:31,470
had an interest in UFOs why cuz it's

907
00:37:36,410 --> 00:37:33,990
documented and the fact that they tried

908
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:36,420
to cover it up and ultimately possibly

909
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:39,930
lie about the coincidence because by the

910
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:41,310
way they did say it was just a

911
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:43,260
coincidence that was their official

912
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:45,570
response to Huffington Post that for

913
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:47,700
them to say that might be a lie but they

914
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:49,410
cannot cover up the fact that they were

915
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:52,980
actively editing and and altering this

916
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:55,980
publication and never did they take UFOs

917
00:38:00,110 --> 00:37:57,570
out and then all of a sudden a major

918
00:38:03,290 --> 00:38:00,120
mainstream organization wants to profile

919
00:38:05,330 --> 00:38:03,300
it and poof it's gone it really is a

920
00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:05,340
testament to that cover-up in my opinion

921
00:38:11,660 --> 00:38:08,550
alright so in terms of cover-up we have

922
00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:11,670
to touch on what's currently going on

923
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:12,660
because

924
00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:14,820
you've probably brought forward some of

925
00:38:19,070 --> 00:38:17,460
the most I'd say revelatory things in

926
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:19,080
terms of what's going on with this

927
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:22,530
recent Pentagon secret Pentagon UFO

928
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:26,610
program that broke last year with a tip

929
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:29,280
so I want to get an idea someone who

930
00:38:34,700 --> 00:38:32,250
deals with documents all the time of

931
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:34,710
course for a lot of us out there this

932
00:38:40,940 --> 00:38:38,520
was extremely it was sexy man it was

933
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:40,950
exciting it was young it was like oh

934
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:42,060
holy

935
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:43,650
the Pentagon's admitting they've been

936
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:45,330
investigating UFOs in secret

937
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:47,970
we all thought blue book was it clearly

938
00:38:51,860 --> 00:38:49,560
that's not the case with the things

939
00:38:55,490 --> 00:38:51,870
you've uncovered but now we even have a

940
00:38:58,070 --> 00:38:55,500
more recent program this a tip so how

941
00:39:01,370 --> 00:38:58,080
did you initially feel when this story

942
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:01,380
first broke the same as you did holy

943
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:04,020
honestly I mean I when I heard

944
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:05,700
about I watched it live because I was

945
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:07,710
dying of curiosity of what was gonna

946
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:10,380
happen was it gonna be a joke the next

947
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:12,210
morning or was this ultimately gonna be

948
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,000
something cool and I watched that press

949
00:39:21,350 --> 00:39:18,240
conference in October not December not

950
00:39:23,570 --> 00:39:21,360
when it broken in December and this will

951
00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:23,580
be that there's there's reason why I'm

952
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:25,500
pointing that out so when I watched when

953
00:39:31,340 --> 00:39:27,780
I watched Lewis Elizondo for the first

954
00:39:34,340 --> 00:39:31,350
time in October I really was like wow

955
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:34,350
that's really that's really cool you

956
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:37,410
know I mean DeLong has been teasing and

957
00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:40,170
you know getting his hands in in certain

958
00:39:44,780 --> 00:39:41,880
areas and you kind of scratch your head

959
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:44,790
like well is this is this star appeal I

960
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:46,200
mean obviously he's worth a lot of money

961
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:48,420
and he's you know it's it's not like

962
00:39:53,540 --> 00:39:51,240
he's a nobody so is is that how he's

963
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,550
getting in does he really have something

964
00:39:57,380 --> 00:39:55,680
like what's going on and so I watched

965
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,390
that press conference and Elizondo gets

966
00:40:01,700 --> 00:39:59,040
up there and and when I was impressed

967
00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:01,710
you know and immediately like that day I

968
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:05,430
think I filed FOIA requests to the

969
00:40:08,660 --> 00:40:07,170
Department of Defense for the office of

970
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:08,670
the Secretary of Defense which is where

971
00:40:14,030 --> 00:40:10,530
Lewis Elizondo is said to have worked

972
00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:14,040
for information on that program because

973
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:15,720
I really thought like this is it you

974
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:19,440
know 10 - 2:06 was deleted they didn't

975
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:21,420
have an interest quote/unquote so I

976
00:40:25,490 --> 00:40:23,730
wanted to see how this played into the

977
00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:25,500
larger narrative of what

978
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:28,230
I had worked on but also people that

979
00:40:33,350 --> 00:40:30,870
came along well before I was around and

980
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:33,360
and we've collectively been working on

981
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:35,460
this for decades and decades trying to

982
00:40:39,020 --> 00:40:37,170
you know piece together what the

983
00:40:42,380 --> 00:40:39,030
military has what the government says so

984
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:42,390
on and so forth and so I and I waited

985
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:45,870
and and my excitement started to turn to

986
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:48,450
a little bit of skepticism simply

987
00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:51,090
because certain things started not to

988
00:40:55,850 --> 00:40:53,790
match up and when December came around

989
00:40:58,310 --> 00:40:55,860
and there was actually a program name I

990
00:41:00,020 --> 00:40:58,320
thought okay this is cool this is gonna

991
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:00,030
further show that maybe the government

992
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:02,910
is lying about this because my initial

993
00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:06,060
requests were denied saying that there

994
00:41:11,090 --> 00:41:09,150
were no records pertaining to what mr.

995
00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:11,100
Elizondo was talking about now look I

996
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:14,520
have proven government lies time and

997
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:17,160
time again so that that doesn't surprise

998
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:19,290
me if they were lying but something

999
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:21,810
about the story started to not make

1000
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:25,710
sense and come December when that story

1001
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:27,690
broke in the New York Times and then

1002
00:41:33,980 --> 00:41:31,200
obviously went global I then had a

1003
00:41:36,590 --> 00:41:33,990
project name and to anybody who uses the

1004
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:36,600
FOIA when you talk about a description

1005
00:41:39,110 --> 00:41:37,980
of something it's a heck of a lot

1006
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:39,120
different than actually having the

1007
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:41,130
program name now even though I had a guy

1008
00:41:45,530 --> 00:41:42,750
going on the record testimony I

1009
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:45,540
referenced it and you know talked about

1010
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:48,330
what this program was which was this UFO

1011
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:51,210
study it yielded a no records response

1012
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:53,820
when I went back to them with the actual

1013
00:41:58,310 --> 00:41:57,180
name come December story changed a

1014
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,320
little bit and they said well that's

1015
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:00,800
under Defense Intelligence Agency

1016
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:03,210
purview so it has to go over there now

1017
00:42:07,730 --> 00:42:05,370
just a very quick FOIA note what that

1018
00:42:10,220 --> 00:42:07,740
means is is let's say the CIA does a

1019
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,230
research program and they create a

1020
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:12,480
report on that program and they send it

1021
00:42:18,350 --> 00:42:16,320
over the DIA for analysis or the NSA for

1022
00:42:20,330 --> 00:42:18,360
analysis you know just they share

1023
00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:20,340
intelligence not all the time but they'd

1024
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:22,470
they do if you file a FOIA request to

1025
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:25,710
let's say the NSA and your FOIA request

1026
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:29,640
comes up with that CIA report the CIA is

1027
00:42:34,460 --> 00:42:31,980
called the OPR or the office of primary

1028
00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:34,470
responsibility what that means is the

1029
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:37,380
NSA cannot declassify a CIA document so

1030
00:42:39,410 --> 00:42:39,210
what they have to do is either forward

1031
00:42:44,839 --> 00:42:39,420
your

1032
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:44,849
they send the document over to the CIA

1033
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:47,609
for review CIA reviews it sends it back

1034
00:42:52,910 --> 00:42:51,119
to NSA and then NSA sends it on Olvera

1035
00:42:54,339 --> 00:42:52,920
all situations are a little bit

1036
00:42:56,809 --> 00:42:54,349
different in that but that's generally

1037
00:42:59,960 --> 00:42:56,819
generally how it goes so they're saying

1038
00:43:02,059 --> 00:42:59,970
that anything on a tip the advanced now

1039
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:02,069
this is what this'll bring up my first

1040
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:03,960
skeptic in the skeptical red flag I know

1041
00:43:10,549 --> 00:43:07,920
exactly yeah so it was reported as the

1042
00:43:13,849 --> 00:43:10,559
advanced aerospace threat identification

1043
00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:13,859
program or a tip AAT IP great no problem

1044
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:16,200
no argument from me I don't you know it

1045
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:17,730
is what it is it was in the New York

1046
00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:20,910
Times so I called at this point because

1047
00:43:25,789 --> 00:43:22,920
I had the FOIA request filed and I

1048
00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:25,799
called the press office now I was

1049
00:43:30,980 --> 00:43:29,220
working on producing a documentary that

1050
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:30,990
sadly I can't give you all the details

1051
00:43:34,339 --> 00:43:32,760
but I mean it's the honest truth that's

1052
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:34,349
why I call the press office I've worked

1053
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:37,380
with them before in various networks

1054
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,210
like History Channel like Discovery

1055
00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:41,400
Channel like National Geographic so I

1056
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,020
called over there and I was working

1057
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:45,680
developing this program and producing a

1058
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,740
pitch and so we were working on this

1059
00:43:57,020 --> 00:43:51,839
story and I felt that eight would be a

1060
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:57,030
prime aspect to this specific story and

1061
00:44:02,930 --> 00:43:59,880
so I called the press office and a very

1062
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:02,940
nice lady had answered and I said you

1063
00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:04,710
know hi I'm so-and-so this is what I'm

1064
00:44:09,260 --> 00:44:07,319
working on and I said just kind of

1065
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:09,270
curious like what you can give do you

1066
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:10,650
have any press statements or anything

1067
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:12,359
about the advanced aerospace to her

1068
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:14,910
identification program or a tip and she

1069
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:16,790
goes oh no you mean the advanced

1070
00:44:23,299 --> 00:44:19,920
aviation threat identification program

1071
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:23,309
and I said I said well I'm not gonna

1072
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:25,170
argue with you ma'am I said but it's all

1073
00:44:29,780 --> 00:44:27,540
all over the media's advanced aerospace

1074
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,790
she says no no it's aviation you mean a

1075
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:31,440
tip and that was actually the first time

1076
00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:33,480
in in in mid-december when this all

1077
00:44:38,359 --> 00:44:35,790
broke I'm not claiming to be the first

1078
00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:38,369
one I'm not sure who is but that was the

1079
00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:40,470
first time I had heard that a tip was

1080
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:43,079
you know the acronym was that's how it

1081
00:44:48,260 --> 00:44:45,420
was referred to by the military as a tip

1082
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:48,270
and that was like an official thing but

1083
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,940
she was adamant about saying aviation so

1084
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:52,440
I thought well wait a minute well now

1085
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:52,920
Wow

1086
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:54,570
the New York Times get this wrong you

1087
00:44:57,350 --> 00:44:56,850
know like what did well what happened

1088
00:45:00,140 --> 00:44:57,360
here

1089
00:45:02,030 --> 00:45:00,150
it sounds like semantics but to the

1090
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:02,040
military you don't get the name of the

1091
00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:04,650
program that you're working on wrong and

1092
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:06,870
I quickly realized that it was mr.

1093
00:45:12,980 --> 00:45:09,050
Elizondo that was saying the name

1094
00:45:14,180 --> 00:45:12,990
apparently wrong now I to find motive

1095
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:14,190
for the government to be lying about

1096
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,650
this and there is none I mean like why

1097
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:18,240
would they care if it's aerospace versus

1098
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:20,610
aviation does he have motive to lie not

1099
00:45:26,290 --> 00:45:24,480
really is he mistaken possibly could it

1100
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,300
be because he's not who he says he is

1101
00:45:31,940 --> 00:45:29,280
possibly could it be he wasn't in the

1102
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:31,950
position he was in possibly so that kind

1103
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:34,110
of set up a red flag and I had reached

1104
00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:36,660
out to to the Stars Academy and asked

1105
00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:39,630
them what division or what they call a

1106
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:42,060
component of OSD that he worked in the

1107
00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:44,610
reason why that's key is then they're

1108
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,350
telling me on one hand the military is

1109
00:45:51,860 --> 00:45:48,560
telling me on one hand oh this is a dia

1110
00:45:53,330 --> 00:45:51,870
program but mr. Elizondo says while I

1111
00:45:55,580 --> 00:45:53,340
worked for the office of the Secretary

1112
00:45:58,610 --> 00:45:55,590
of Defense and when I figured out what

1113
00:46:01,730 --> 00:45:58,620
component he worked in that was not dia

1114
00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:01,740
now why is that important well if

1115
00:46:07,340 --> 00:46:04,680
there's a CIA program you don't have Joe

1116
00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:07,350
Schmo run it from NSA why because it's a

1117
00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:10,590
CIA program it doesn't it that none of

1118
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:12,150
that started to make sense so it's like

1119
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:14,700
well wait a minute you can't have a DIA

1120
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:16,920
run program from somebody in another

1121
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:19,230
office now in fairness everything is all

1122
00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:21,090
Department of Defense so everything is

1123
00:46:25,070 --> 00:46:22,200
under that umbrella

1124
00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:25,080
but so is the army so was the Navy so as

1125
00:46:29,810 --> 00:46:27,660
the DIA so is the OSD I mean and the

1126
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:29,820
list goes on so that really doesn't mean

1127
00:46:34,820 --> 00:46:32,730
much again when you drill down it didn't

1128
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:34,830
make sense that he was heading this you

1129
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:36,810
know program from within the Pentagon

1130
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:40,970
within OSD and yet it was a dia program

1131
00:46:48,020 --> 00:46:45,330
so look I can keep going but it it was

1132
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:48,030
it started the red flags and I tried to

1133
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,730
reach out to the stars Academy after the

1134
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:53,280
avalanche of of media publicity that

1135
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:55,560
they received to ask for an interview

1136
00:47:00,260 --> 00:46:58,530
not only was I producing that show but I

1137
00:47:02,210 --> 00:47:00,270
also wanted him to just kind of go on

1138
00:47:04,850 --> 00:47:02,220
the record because his story was

1139
00:47:06,830 --> 00:47:04,860
incredibly intriguing and I felt the

1140
00:47:09,530 --> 00:47:06,840
questions I had had easy answers

1141
00:47:13,220 --> 00:47:09,540
at first and so I reached out to them

1142
00:47:16,070 --> 00:47:13,230
and I was strung on literally for four

1143
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:16,080
months if you can believe that before

1144
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:19,260
they finally told me no okay and I

1145
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:22,260
thought well if I look I'm not Larry

1146
00:47:28,820 --> 00:47:25,020
King I'm not you know Tucker Carlson I

1147
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:28,830
get that like that it that's fine I but

1148
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:31,290
there are these questions that I could

1149
00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:34,530
help them reach an audience that if

1150
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:36,990
given the correct answer would probably

1151
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,710
be happy to invest but I wasn't the only

1152
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:42,480
one starting to ask questions because

1153
00:47:46,850 --> 00:47:44,370
then all of a sudden there were a lot

1154
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:46,860
more you know and the story got a little

1155
00:47:52,070 --> 00:47:48,300
bit weirder and a little bit more

1156
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:52,080
convoluted and then I think the general

1157
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:54,770
public was starting to see a

1158
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:57,300
organization or corporation in the sense

1159
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:00,960
that was claiming to end or want to end

1160
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:04,170
government secrecy around something but

1161
00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:05,850
all they were offering was more secrecy

1162
00:48:10,460 --> 00:48:08,190
they were releasing videos and blurring

1163
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:10,470
evidence and blurring documents and this

1164
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:13,680
and that there could very well be an

1165
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,510
explanation for all that and that's fine

1166
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,520
but I think that the general public

1167
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:20,160
started to grow with skepticism on

1168
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:22,260
whether or not these guys were truly

1169
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,660
doing what they claimed they wanted to

1170
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:26,640
do and I think that that's why they

1171
00:48:31,610 --> 00:48:28,790
probably didn't reach their goal of

1172
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:31,620
fifty million dollars that was their

1173
00:48:36,590 --> 00:48:34,770
original goal they took off the counter

1174
00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:36,600
but it's estimated they raised about two

1175
00:48:41,660 --> 00:48:38,700
and a half million I think it is and and

1176
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:41,670
here we are I mean we're here almost a

1177
00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:45,240
year from when the story broke of a tip

1178
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:47,790
but well over a year since to the Stars

1179
00:48:53,540 --> 00:48:50,700
Academy was kind of formulated and

1180
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:53,550
reaching out and you know there's been

1181
00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:55,430
some really cool things like the videos

1182
00:49:00,680 --> 00:48:57,960
but at the end of the day they're like

1183
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:00,690
there's no context we don't know what

1184
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:03,210
they were and I've done a lot of for

1185
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:04,650
requests on that kind of stuff and

1186
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:06,090
there's a there's a lot more red flags

1187
00:49:09,650 --> 00:49:07,710
than what I brought up already but I

1188
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:09,660
don't want to I don't want to take over

1189
00:49:13,580 --> 00:49:11,970
your show and I thought oh no not at all

1190
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:13,590
John I mean this is very important

1191
00:49:18,820 --> 00:49:16,410
because a lot of us researchers who were

1192
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,830
all for this when I first started we are

1193
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:20,400
starting to

1194
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:22,710
to taste that skepticism more and more

1195
00:49:27,049 --> 00:49:24,569
and I think another good point you

1196
00:49:29,710 --> 00:49:27,059
brought up in previous interviews I've

1197
00:49:32,420 --> 00:49:29,720
heard to give is the Chain of Custody

1198
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:32,430
documents everyone's claiming like well

1199
00:49:36,859 --> 00:49:34,410
this should be it if we find out where

1200
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:36,869
the videos came from we can then start

1201
00:49:40,940 --> 00:49:38,970
to dig deeper but tell us a little about

1202
00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:40,950
have you ever heard of this sort of a

1203
00:49:46,490 --> 00:49:43,230
document a chain of custody to UFT

1204
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:46,500
outage they click no I haven't to

1205
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:47,940
quickly answer they claim they have

1206
00:49:52,849 --> 00:49:50,520
chain of custody documents quote-unquote

1207
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:52,859
chain of custody that proved the

1208
00:49:58,849 --> 00:49:55,170
declassification of these videos that

1209
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,859
the DoD had released the three videos

1210
00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:01,200
that to the Star Academy has put on

1211
00:50:05,299 --> 00:50:03,390
their website and ultimately you know

1212
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,309
broadcasts on quite a few major networks

1213
00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:07,920
and and so on when I had talked to the

1214
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:10,740
Pentagon myself and asked them about

1215
00:50:14,839 --> 00:50:13,049
those videos I can say this because it's

1216
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:14,849
it's public record but her name is major

1217
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,339
audrey xie harris and she's one of the

1218
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:20,640
official spokespeople of the pentagon so

1219
00:50:23,779 --> 00:50:22,170
i'm not talking about a paper pusher who

1220
00:50:25,549 --> 00:50:23,789
happened to answer the phone and it's

1221
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:25,559
some no-name or who was just guessing

1222
00:50:35,420 --> 00:50:30,170
this is the actual major in the pentagon

1223
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:35,430
who gives the lines to the press that

1224
00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:37,710
gives the official statements when you

1225
00:50:42,370 --> 00:50:39,270
see official statements in the New York

1226
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,380
Times or The Washington Post or wherever

1227
00:50:48,019 --> 00:50:44,640
generally it's her office that's giving

1228
00:50:49,789 --> 00:50:48,029
him giving them or her her herself that

1229
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:49,799
is giving the statements and I want to

1230
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:51,569
stress that because she says we never

1231
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:54,420
released those videos we meaning the

1232
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:56,490
Department of Defense and so that

1233
00:51:00,730 --> 00:50:58,650
completely contradicts what mr. Elizondo

1234
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:00,740
has said that the DoD released them

1235
00:51:06,799 --> 00:51:05,250
again I have full faith that I will

1236
00:51:10,339 --> 00:51:06,809
probably catch the government in another

1237
00:51:12,849 --> 00:51:10,349
life sometime in the next decade so if

1238
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:12,859
that is what's going on here then fine

1239
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:15,720
they claim meaning to the stars Academy

1240
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:17,460
and mr. Elizondo claims they have a

1241
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:20,640
chain of custody document that shows and

1242
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,240
proves that the DoD Declassified and

1243
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:26,400
released those videos that's what they

1244
00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:28,740
have claimed when you ask to see the

1245
00:51:34,340 --> 00:51:30,990
evidence they refuse to show you the

1246
00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:34,350
questions to the Stars refuses that's

1247
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:36,750
correct okay okay never once released

1248
00:51:42,980 --> 00:51:40,410
the chain of custody document whatever

1249
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:42,990
that is now I have as I mentioned

1250
00:51:48,740 --> 00:51:46,110
collected two million pages when a

1251
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:48,750
document is Declassified and this is

1252
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:51,210
truth with videos and this is true with

1253
00:51:57,860 --> 00:51:53,730
photographs there's no chain of custody

1254
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:57,870
document that that that proves a

1255
00:52:03,590 --> 00:52:00,660
declassification there are stamps that

1256
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:03,600
go on documents photos and slates that

1257
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:05,610
go on videos to show when it was

1258
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:08,220
reviewed when the classification was

1259
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:10,500
downgraded and there are record

1260
00:52:15,380 --> 00:52:13,260
transmittal slips and what those are and

1261
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,390
I can show ample examples of them is

1262
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,480
I've and I get a lot from the NSA which

1263
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:20,880
happens to be DoD by the way is that

1264
00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:22,740
when you file for a request of something

1265
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:24,360
that's never been out before that's

1266
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,980
generally when I get them when documents

1267
00:52:30,530 --> 00:52:27,680
have never seen the light of day

1268
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:30,540
they're Declassified and sent to me and

1269
00:52:36,620 --> 00:52:34,110
on top of my FOIA response letter on top

1270
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:36,630
of that is a as a records transmittal

1271
00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:38,940
slip and what that is that's the only

1272
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:40,830
thing with a signature and what that

1273
00:52:46,270 --> 00:52:42,900
says is that the documents that are

1274
00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:46,280
coming to me in the mail are considered

1275
00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:49,020
unclassified I don't have a clearance so

1276
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:51,630
I can't get secret or top secret you

1277
00:52:55,850 --> 00:52:54,030
know information obviously so when they

1278
00:52:57,620 --> 00:52:55,860
send those things it's to show that

1279
00:53:00,680 --> 00:52:57,630
whomever grabs a hold of that envelope

1280
00:53:02,570 --> 00:53:00,690
or packages the envelope or you know for

1281
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,580
whatever reason it's opened by someone

1282
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:05,280
else other than me it shows that

1283
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:07,050
so-and-so is authorizing that that

1284
00:53:12,140 --> 00:53:09,420
information is unclassified is that a

1285
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:12,150
chain of custody absolutely not but it

1286
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:14,520
does show that the government sent that

1287
00:53:19,130 --> 00:53:16,920
information to me and it's unclassified

1288
00:53:22,610 --> 00:53:19,140
so let's just say they're kind of you

1289
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,620
know SEC seeing this up a little bit and

1290
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:24,960
and that's what they have cool I mean if

1291
00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:26,490
they if they just wanted to sexy it up

1292
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:28,950
and say it was chain of custody because

1293
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:30,300
that sounds cooler

1294
00:53:35,090 --> 00:53:33,210
fine I'll still knock them for that

1295
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:35,100
because it's not accurate but I'll

1296
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,650
accept that they never have and they've

1297
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:39,680
stood stood by that they had these

1298
00:53:44,420 --> 00:53:42,930
evidence to prove to you what they say

1299
00:53:48,110 --> 00:53:44,430
is true but they won't show it to you

1300
00:53:51,260 --> 00:53:48,120
why like I don't get I can't figure out

1301
00:53:53,450 --> 00:53:51,270
a reason you know a reason why and there

1302
00:53:55,610 --> 00:53:53,460
are one in particular that's connected

1303
00:53:59,150 --> 00:53:55,620
with to the Stars Academy who's said

1304
00:54:03,950 --> 00:53:59,160
this public dr. Eric Davis and he has

1305
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:03,960
apparently said now that the chain of

1306
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:05,730
custody document will never be released

1307
00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:07,980
because their sources and methods on it

1308
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:09,960
and that and that in itself is

1309
00:54:14,750 --> 00:54:11,490
classified and they would never release

1310
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:14,760
it and that to me was the nail in the

1311
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:18,000
coffin that they do not have what they

1312
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:21,810
say they have or if they do then they're

1313
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:24,390
in a breach of their security oath I do

1314
00:54:29,330 --> 00:54:26,730
not believe in the latter but that

1315
00:54:31,070 --> 00:54:29,340
that's either what he is saying or he's

1316
00:54:33,590 --> 00:54:31,080
admitting that they would not have this

1317
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:33,600
I don't believe that a document like

1318
00:54:39,170 --> 00:54:36,690
that existed but regardless if it was

1319
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:39,180
classified they would never have it

1320
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:41,370
which means they're lying if they do

1321
00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:44,040
have it and dr. Davis is correct and

1322
00:54:48,980 --> 00:54:46,230
there are sources and methods on it and

1323
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:48,990
this is some kind of elusive document I

1324
00:54:54,220 --> 00:54:51,510
have never ever ever seen or heard of

1325
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:54,230
before nor can I even find references to

1326
00:54:59,300 --> 00:54:56,970
documents like this because again

1327
00:55:03,080 --> 00:54:59,310
everything has procedures and manuals

1328
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:03,090
and you know regulations and so on the

1329
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:06,480
procedure writing the procedure writing

1330
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:09,570
procedures has a procedure manual to

1331
00:55:13,550 --> 00:55:11,730
think about that but but that's actually

1332
00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:13,560
true right there's manuals on how to

1333
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:16,950
write manuals so there's no reference

1334
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:19,380
that I could find that a document like

1335
00:55:23,710 --> 00:55:22,050
that even exists so honestly I think

1336
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:23,720
they're getting caught up in their own

1337
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,660
their own lies yeah yeah and and I

1338
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:29,280
honestly believe that and though and the

1339
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:30,900
list just keeps getting bigger and

1340
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:34,140
bigger and and it's a shame like I don't

1341
00:55:37,940 --> 00:55:35,880
want to sit and just pick on them and

1342
00:55:40,070 --> 00:55:37,950
say they're lying I just wish that they

1343
00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:40,080
would be a little bit more open with the

1344
00:55:45,860 --> 00:55:42,180
public when they say that they're trying

1345
00:55:46,550 --> 00:55:45,870
to stop the secrecy just none of this

1346
00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:46,560
makes sense

1347
00:55:50,540 --> 00:55:48,750
alright and I mean the the red flags

1348
00:55:52,460 --> 00:55:50,550
just continued wrong I mean I want to

1349
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:52,470
circle back to Elizondo in just a second

1350
00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:54,450
but another big thing with these videos

1351
00:56:00,140 --> 00:55:57,420
too is we're not seeing the complete

1352
00:56:01,890 --> 00:56:00,150
videos we have absolutely no context

1353
00:56:03,660 --> 00:56:01,900
yeah we get these little

1354
00:56:06,809 --> 00:56:03,670
text on the screen from to the stars

1355
00:56:08,279 --> 00:56:06,819
this happened then there's this you're

1356
00:56:10,980 --> 00:56:08,289
seeing it from this angle from this

1357
00:56:13,140 --> 00:56:10,990
camera that's all cool but I mean we're

1358
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:13,150
seeing snippets of something that's

1359
00:56:19,529 --> 00:56:16,510
clearly larger you know broader in scope

1360
00:56:21,809 --> 00:56:19,539
and we're getting edited versions in my

1361
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:21,819
big thing which of the stars now is

1362
00:56:26,940 --> 00:56:24,730
we're getting what they want us to see

1363
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:26,950
what they want us to hear and they're

1364
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:29,170
controlling the narrative to all of this

1365
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:31,770
which if you're gonna have a public

1366
00:56:38,279 --> 00:56:34,809
benefit company has Tom DeLonge has sort

1367
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:38,289
of coined this it's for the public and

1368
00:56:45,539 --> 00:56:42,160
we're we're paying for them to give us a

1369
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:45,549
quarter of the story so and I don't mean

1370
00:56:50,730 --> 00:56:48,400
me I'm not idea I am NOT a financial

1371
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:50,740
supporter I chose to stay away from that

1372
00:56:55,410 --> 00:56:52,690
as an objective researcher and

1373
00:56:57,029 --> 00:56:55,420
journalist but it's it's interesting and

1374
00:57:01,769 --> 00:56:57,039
as in terms of the red flags

1375
00:57:04,740 --> 00:57:01,779
Elizondo now I know you don't you don't

1376
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,750
deal with documents that could be leaked

1377
00:57:09,150 --> 00:57:06,640
and whatnot you deal with declassified

1378
00:57:11,339 --> 00:57:09,160
documents highly respect that do you

1379
00:57:13,799 --> 00:57:11,349
have any opinion whatsoever on this

1380
00:57:16,140 --> 00:57:13,809
suppose addressing nation letter of mr.

1381
00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:16,150
elizondo's yeah it wouldn't surprise me

1382
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:18,430
if it was real I know people picked up

1383
00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:20,410
picked on it a little bit for for

1384
00:57:25,620 --> 00:57:23,140
spelling and grammar is that a red flag

1385
00:57:27,930 --> 00:57:25,630
kind of but to be honest with you I'm

1386
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,940
sure that that probably is a resignation

1387
00:57:31,529 --> 00:57:29,680
letter of his and it wouldn't surprise

1388
00:57:34,019 --> 00:57:31,539
me so I'm not gonna argue it I will say

1389
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:34,029
this though I filed a FOIA request for

1390
00:57:37,799 --> 00:57:36,160
the resignation letter and actually

1391
00:57:41,819 --> 00:57:37,809
received a no records response

1392
00:57:45,809 --> 00:57:41,829
okay now I'll defend a mr. Elizondo on

1393
00:57:48,779 --> 00:57:45,819
this one this is a longer legal boring

1394
00:57:51,089 --> 00:57:48,789
answer but the short of it is there is

1395
00:57:54,329 --> 00:57:51,099
and it's been fought and argued in the

1396
00:57:57,450 --> 00:57:54,339
Supreme Court that under the FOIA can

1397
00:58:00,960 --> 00:57:57,460
you get a resignation letter and the

1398
00:58:02,730 --> 00:58:00,970
answer has been determined generally no

1399
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:02,740
and this actually goes back to the

1400
00:58:07,289 --> 00:58:05,440
resignation of Donald Rumsfeld during

1401
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:07,299
George w's administration just for a

1402
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:09,520
little bit of history for you and the

1403
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,410
FOIA request flew in for that

1404
00:58:14,910 --> 00:58:13,359
resignation letter it was ultimately

1405
00:58:16,289 --> 00:58:14,920
denied and litter

1406
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:16,299
they went all the way to the Supreme

1407
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:19,839
Court to argue whether or not that in

1408
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:22,960
itself was a government document or that

1409
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:27,130
in itself was a personal document which

1410
00:58:31,140 --> 00:58:29,410
would be ultimately exempt from the FOIA

1411
00:58:36,299 --> 00:58:31,150
so just a little bit of history there

1412
00:58:38,339 --> 00:58:36,309
for you for you on the FOIA now I so

1413
00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:38,349
I'll give him a pass on that what I did

1414
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:42,790
however do is in addition to that then

1415
00:58:53,339 --> 00:58:48,930
file a FOIA request for emails from two

1416
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:53,349
BCC Dorsey seed James Madison tained the

1417
00:58:59,370 --> 00:58:56,770
word Elizondo not a single one came up

1418
00:59:01,950 --> 00:58:59,380
as responsive to my request now why is

1419
00:59:04,140 --> 00:59:01,960
that now we've been told that Madison

1420
00:59:07,260 --> 00:59:04,150
Elizondo were friends I've heard him say

1421
00:59:09,809 --> 00:59:07,270
in interviews that he was reporting to

1422
00:59:12,539 --> 00:59:09,819
him if he was one of his you know

1423
00:59:14,849 --> 00:59:12,549
higher-ups you would think that a single

1424
00:59:18,089 --> 00:59:14,859
email at least one would come up with

1425
00:59:20,250 --> 00:59:18,099
his name and not a single one did I

1426
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:20,260
don't talk about that that much but I

1427
00:59:24,270 --> 00:59:21,970
figured I'd bring it up now because I

1428
00:59:26,490 --> 00:59:24,280
thought that might be a way to

1429
00:59:28,349 --> 00:59:26,500
circumvent the Supreme Court decision

1430
00:59:31,289 --> 00:59:28,359
that a resignation letter didn't you

1431
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:31,299
know fall under the FOIA but if he

1432
00:59:35,490 --> 00:59:33,760
emailed that letter what's very

1433
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:35,500
interesting is that then I could put up

1434
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:38,559
an argument that that would technically

1435
00:59:42,420 --> 00:59:40,720
be a government document because it was

1436
00:59:45,630 --> 00:59:42,430
sent to mattis's government email

1437
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:45,640
address and so that so that was one of

1438
00:59:50,490 --> 00:59:47,290
those ways that I was trying to kind of

1439
00:59:52,260 --> 00:59:50,500
circumvent what had become case law to

1440
00:59:53,579 --> 00:59:52,270
try and then go in and say okay well

1441
00:59:55,859 --> 00:59:53,589
maybe this will not only come up with

1442
00:59:58,559 --> 00:59:55,869
his resignation letter but maybe

1443
01:00:01,859 --> 00:59:58,569
something else maybe somebody wrote

1444
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:01,869
maddest torreón related to Elizondo but

1445
01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:03,490
said hey did you hear what this guy

1446
01:00:09,089 --> 01:00:05,950
Elizondo is saying and poom that would

1447
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:09,099
come up under my request and so so you

1448
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:10,990
find these little tricks to kind of get

1449
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:15,609
around it and according to the office of

1450
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:17,049
Secretary of Defense and the Joint

1451
01:00:22,530 --> 01:00:19,210
Chiefs of Staff there is not a single

1452
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:22,540
email that comes up with the word

1453
01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:26,079
Elizondo from january and i'd to January

1454
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:28,390
20th 2017 when Madison

1455
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:30,730
went in I believe it was the day through

1456
01:00:35,549 --> 01:00:33,250
the data processing the request so if he

1457
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:35,559
was an active communication active duty

1458
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,319
and he was communicating at all with

1459
01:00:41,569 --> 01:00:40,000
madis which is kind of what we've been

1460
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:41,579
led to believe in some of the interviews

1461
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:45,490
that not a single email was was brought

1462
01:00:50,099 --> 01:00:47,920
up and I was given to no records so a

1463
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,109
lot of those types of red flags make me

1464
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,720
question is he telling the truth I'm not

1465
01:00:57,599 --> 01:00:54,720
saying he's lying I'm just questioning

1466
01:01:00,240 --> 01:00:57,609
why are all these things coming up as

1467
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:00,250
red flags and then you do have the

1468
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:01,690
statements by the way that we haven't

1469
01:01:07,289 --> 01:01:02,650
talked about but you do have the

1470
01:01:11,759 --> 01:01:07,299
statements by the DIA that said a tip

1471
01:01:15,150 --> 01:01:11,769
was not a UFO program and it is being

1472
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:15,160
heavily embellished by the media and so

1473
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:18,250
you have when you prove a government lie

1474
01:01:23,309 --> 01:01:20,799
because again I know I've said it like

1475
01:01:24,990 --> 01:01:23,319
three times now it won't surprise me if

1476
01:01:27,900 --> 01:01:25,000
it comes out they're lying but you

1477
01:01:30,809 --> 01:01:27,910
generally don't have this absolute Stern

1478
01:01:34,170 --> 01:01:30,819
in writing statement and I should also

1479
01:01:36,839 --> 01:01:34,180
say major Harris put everything that she

1480
01:01:39,210 --> 01:01:36,849
told me over the telephone in writing so

1481
01:01:43,019 --> 01:01:39,220
I can prove that with an official record

1482
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:43,029
of a tip had that they have a tips name

1483
01:01:48,539 --> 01:01:45,369
wrong that they never released the

1484
01:01:51,329 --> 01:01:48,549
videos and she put a couple other things

1485
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,339
in the email as well but in essence it

1486
01:01:56,849 --> 01:01:53,680
was a firm in writing statement that no

1487
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:56,859
one can contradict at this point now

1488
01:02:01,380 --> 01:01:58,960
whether or not if she was lying okay

1489
01:02:05,609 --> 01:02:01,390
fine but generally with government lies

1490
01:02:08,430 --> 01:02:05,619
they don't comment on things right you

1491
01:02:11,970 --> 01:02:08,440
know I mean like that's because they

1492
01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:11,980
don't need another example of them lying

1493
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:13,990
right and I'm not talking about just by

1494
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:15,359
me I'm just talking about in the general

1495
01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:18,490
consensus of the globe the Pentagon

1496
01:02:24,839 --> 01:02:21,849
doesn't need those problems so if if all

1497
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:24,849
this was bunk and Elizondo was telling

1498
01:02:29,309 --> 01:02:27,490
stories generally the you know the

1499
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,319
government doesn't get involved it's

1500
01:02:34,410 --> 01:02:31,599
like the quarry goods of the world the

1501
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:34,420
Andrew basiago zuv the world like does

1502
01:02:37,529 --> 01:02:35,890
the government really have to hold a

1503
01:02:40,650 --> 01:02:37,539
press conference and say no we did not

1504
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:40,660
go to Mars with Obama and so on no of

1505
01:02:44,310 --> 01:02:42,310
course not they leave it alone

1506
01:02:47,310 --> 01:02:44,320
however with this they put the firm

1507
01:02:50,550 --> 01:02:47,320
statement out there no sorry that's not

1508
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:50,560
the way it is no this is not real so

1509
01:02:55,380 --> 01:02:53,410
obviously they're putting a statement

1510
01:02:58,680 --> 01:02:55,390
that can come back and bite them out

1511
01:03:00,930 --> 01:02:58,690
there not just to me but to multiple now

1512
01:03:03,150 --> 01:03:00,940
news agencies and they're putting it in

1513
01:03:04,770 --> 01:03:03,160
writing generally you don't see that

1514
01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:04,780
when you catch the government in some

1515
01:03:10,050 --> 01:03:08,140
kind of a lie and they are err really

1516
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:10,060
going out of their way to say a tip is

1517
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:12,880
not what we're being led to believe if

1518
01:03:16,740 --> 01:03:15,310
it comes out that they're lying I would

1519
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:16,750
actually be surprised

1520
01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:19,810
now just because it's it's gone to this

1521
01:03:26,610 --> 01:03:23,950
point into this level the the documents

1522
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:26,620
are largely according to Senate former

1523
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:28,930
Senator Harry Reid the documents are

1524
01:03:34,620 --> 01:03:32,050
approximately 80% unclassified now he

1525
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,630
said that in an interview I know George

1526
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:36,960
Knapp was was present I believe and

1527
01:03:43,290 --> 01:03:40,480
Harry Reid had said that verbatim 80

1528
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:43,300
percent if that's the case we're not

1529
01:03:48,930 --> 01:03:46,170
dealing with a very highly classified

1530
01:03:52,170 --> 01:03:48,940
topic there's classified aspects to it

1531
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:52,180
but it's not very highly classified and

1532
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:55,090
so I think that that furthers the proof

1533
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:57,130
that this is getting you know

1534
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:00,880
embellished and and I think I'll bring

1535
01:04:04,380 --> 01:04:03,130
up Edward Snowden as my you know final

1536
01:04:06,540 --> 01:04:04,390
thought and I'll pass it back to you but

1537
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:06,550
I'll bring up Edward Snowden that when

1538
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:08,170
you start talking about highly

1539
01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:12,730
classified programs projects research

1540
01:04:18,210 --> 01:04:15,790
research studies and so on you end up

1541
01:04:21,030 --> 01:04:18,220
hiding in a hole in another country

1542
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:21,040
because it's classified the fact that

1543
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:22,810
mr. Elizondo was out there and he's

1544
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:25,450
talking about this and it's open that to

1545
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:28,240
me shows that this is a very it's a real

1546
01:04:33,030 --> 01:04:29,770
program I have no doubt about that but

1547
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:33,040
it's a very probably not so secretive

1548
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:34,930
program that some people want to believe

1549
01:04:41,940 --> 01:04:38,770
the secret UFO study or the Pentagon's

1550
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:41,950
secret UFO study that obviously hit the

1551
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:44,710
media I think at this point is largely

1552
01:04:49,260 --> 01:04:46,690
embellished and and there's there's

1553
01:04:53,970 --> 01:04:49,270
evidence to support that too but it goes

1554
01:04:56,220 --> 01:04:53,980
into the heart of of how a tip came to

1555
01:04:59,160 --> 01:04:56,230
be and I found myself actually

1556
01:05:02,190 --> 01:04:59,170
mr. Elizondo on this but the short of it

1557
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:02,200
is it had come out that the a tip

1558
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:05,049
program was either born out of or also

1559
01:05:10,170 --> 01:05:07,839
part of a program called advanced

1560
01:05:14,099 --> 01:05:10,180
aerospace weapon system application

1561
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:17,460
aw snap is happens well hell of a lot of

1562
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:20,049
conspirators say when you read the if

1563
01:05:26,339 --> 01:05:23,920
the actual contract bid for contracts

1564
01:05:28,970 --> 01:05:26,349
they post these on federal websites that

1565
01:05:31,049 --> 01:05:28,980
big corporations can go and bid on

1566
01:05:34,109 --> 01:05:31,059
generally when they're classified they

1567
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:34,119
never appear you can still download the

1568
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:37,450
the contract proposal for OSAP on the

1569
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:39,609
federal government's website from 2008

1570
01:05:45,660 --> 01:05:42,490
and when you read through it it's like

1571
01:05:48,539 --> 01:05:45,670
not even close to a UFO research program

1572
01:05:50,539 --> 01:05:48,549
you know it's I'll put it simplistic

1573
01:05:52,829 --> 01:05:50,549
it's like the government hires a

1574
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:52,839
corporation to make an apple pie and

1575
01:05:59,609 --> 01:05:55,690
they turn around and they you know they

1576
01:06:01,470 --> 01:05:59,619
they bake him a pizza you know and and

1577
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:01,480
my whole point with being simplistic on

1578
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:03,849
that is you don't change a contract when

1579
01:06:09,660 --> 01:06:06,250
you're awarded that contract so that's

1580
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:09,670
why I believe that the UFO thing it's

1581
01:06:13,289 --> 01:06:12,130
probably not entirely accurate because

1582
01:06:15,870 --> 01:06:13,299
when you trace back

1583
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:15,880
what a tip was all about and what Asaf

1584
01:06:22,170 --> 01:06:18,490
was all about it just doesn't it doesn't

1585
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:22,180
fit it just does not connect even in the

1586
01:06:27,299 --> 01:06:25,359
slightest and I mean the last sort of

1587
01:06:32,579 --> 01:06:27,309
thing I want to bring up in terms of

1588
01:06:38,180 --> 01:06:32,589
this John is elizondo's how can I put

1589
01:06:47,849 --> 01:06:44,220
UFO footage photos his job assuming that

1590
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:47,859
he actually did head this program of UFO

1591
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:51,250
studies we're seeing hoaxed photos and

1592
01:06:56,670 --> 01:06:54,160
CGI that he's sharing with the public I

1593
01:07:00,180 --> 01:06:56,680
mean is this disinformation or just

1594
01:07:02,730 --> 01:07:00,190
stupidity it's it's just another read

1595
01:07:05,099 --> 01:07:02,740
there's so many red flags I just I don't

1596
01:07:07,339 --> 01:07:05,109
know what to make of it anymore and well

1597
01:07:10,070 --> 01:07:07,349
yeah I and I'm not either

1598
01:07:12,590 --> 01:07:10,080
originally just so your audience

1599
01:07:15,830 --> 01:07:12,600
aware the the this all spawned from that

1600
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,840
original October press conference where

1601
01:07:20,660 --> 01:07:17,520
I believe Christopher Mellon was at the

1602
01:07:22,550 --> 01:07:20,670
mic and they had a quote-unquote UFO

1603
01:07:25,010 --> 01:07:22,560
picture in the background they were

1604
01:07:28,940 --> 01:07:25,020
talking about a certain event and it was

1605
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:28,950
a debunked photo of a mylar balloon now

1606
01:07:31,850 --> 01:07:31,170
look we I know that you work in

1607
01:07:34,220 --> 01:07:31,860
television

1608
01:07:35,780 --> 01:07:34,230
when editors you know if they hired an

1609
01:07:37,340 --> 01:07:35,790
editor maybe they were looking at stock

1610
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:37,350
footage they didn't realize they're not

1611
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:40,290
as privy to all this I never once I've

1612
01:07:43,460 --> 01:07:42,090
tried to be so incredibly fair because

1613
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:43,470
it sounds like I'm just being a jerk by

1614
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:45,810
trashing these guys for the last hour

1615
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:48,210
and honestly I'm really not trying to be

1616
01:07:53,810 --> 01:07:50,880
I've never talked about that mylar

1617
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:53,820
balloon as evidence of anything and I

1618
01:07:57,380 --> 01:07:55,770
was on the air with Jimmy Church and I

1619
01:07:58,640 --> 01:07:57,390
know that it's bothered Jimmy and Jimmy

1620
01:08:00,920 --> 01:07:58,650
was kind of pressed me about it I said

1621
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:00,930
look man I you know mistakes happen and

1622
01:08:02,990 --> 01:08:02,610
and there's enough red flags to let that

1623
01:08:07,130 --> 01:08:03,000
go

1624
01:08:09,710 --> 01:08:07,140
however then mr. Elizondo Tom DeLonge

1625
01:08:13,550 --> 01:08:09,720
they fly to Italy they do this you know

1626
01:08:15,830 --> 01:08:13,560
presentation to some UFO group of course

1627
01:08:18,349 --> 01:08:15,840
it was kind of embellished I think on

1628
01:08:19,790 --> 01:08:18,359
Instagram but or something by DeLong it

1629
01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:19,800
kind of made it seem like it was some

1630
01:08:24,290 --> 01:08:22,470
secret you know meeting and and of

1631
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:24,300
course yeah

1632
01:08:28,790 --> 01:08:26,940
he's very good at doing that and and if

1633
01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:28,800
it works for I'm cool but it's it's

1634
01:08:32,300 --> 01:08:30,450
getting tiresome for a lot of people

1635
01:08:33,980 --> 01:08:32,310
that you know really want to see if

1636
01:08:36,290 --> 01:08:33,990
these guys are making a difference in

1637
01:08:38,329 --> 01:08:36,300
getting involved and so on and so I

1638
01:08:39,890 --> 01:08:38,339
somebody sent it to me that it had live

1639
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:39,900
streamed and recorded I didn't watch it

1640
01:08:43,610 --> 01:08:42,330
live but it was recorded and I thought

1641
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:43,620
okay that's cool so I started watching a

1642
01:08:47,570 --> 01:08:45,810
little bit it's brutal to watch only

1643
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:47,580
because mr. Ellison was a great speaker

1644
01:08:50,540 --> 01:08:48,810
so I'm not gonna take anything away from

1645
01:08:52,700 --> 01:08:50,550
him it's brutal to watch because you

1646
01:08:54,349 --> 01:08:52,710
have a translator so like you know it's

1647
01:08:55,730 --> 01:08:54,359
one or two sentences from mr. Elizondo

1648
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:55,740
that you gotta wait for the Italian and

1649
01:09:01,160 --> 01:08:57,930
then you know so it's a brutal in that

1650
01:09:03,890 --> 01:09:01,170
respect and but but that being said they

1651
01:09:08,090 --> 01:09:03,900
came to a part about the 1952 Washington

1652
01:09:11,270 --> 01:09:08,100
UFO sightings and I knew from working in

1653
01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:11,280
television there's there's a lot of one

1654
01:09:16,910 --> 01:09:13,350
very misunderstood photo which is

1655
01:09:18,890 --> 01:09:16,920
largely attributed to the 52 sightings

1656
01:09:21,770 --> 01:09:18,900
which actually was taken much later and

1657
01:09:23,420 --> 01:09:21,780
the quote-unquote UFOs are actually lens

1658
01:09:23,899 --> 01:09:23,430
flare reflections from the lights on the

1659
01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:23,909
ground

1660
01:09:29,059 --> 01:09:26,279
we match all up so the so the photos are

1661
01:09:32,329 --> 01:09:29,069
real but it's not from from you know the

1662
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:32,339
52 sidings and then there's a very

1663
01:09:37,729 --> 01:09:35,279
overused CGI animation and I know that

1664
01:09:41,780 --> 01:09:37,739
only because a show that I was on camera

1665
01:09:44,599 --> 01:09:41,790
with a show called unsealed they had

1666
01:09:47,629 --> 01:09:44,609
used this very animation and it's like

1667
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,639
the you know a good shot or a CGI of the

1668
01:09:52,610 --> 01:09:49,679
of the Capitol building with these like

1669
01:09:54,919 --> 01:09:52,620
blue CGI UFOs going through the

1670
01:09:57,020 --> 01:09:54,929
background and it look I mean you can

1671
01:09:58,700 --> 01:09:57,030
look at it's obviously CGI and it's used

1672
01:10:01,100 --> 01:09:58,710
in television production in various

1673
01:10:03,709 --> 01:10:01,110
productions namely unsealed I know for a

1674
01:10:05,570 --> 01:10:03,719
fact that I was on camera for that that

1675
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:05,580
had appeared because I was talking

1676
01:10:12,890 --> 01:10:09,210
through that segment and and that being

1677
01:10:14,419 --> 01:10:12,900
said that was a screenshot behind mr.

1678
01:10:16,340 --> 01:10:14,429
Elizondo and he's talking about it and

1679
01:10:17,959 --> 01:10:16,350
he turns around and I'm kind of

1680
01:10:20,180 --> 01:10:17,969
paraphrasing but he did say this sternly

1681
01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:20,190
he's like and that is an actual

1682
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:23,580
photograph of the actual event and I

1683
01:10:29,450 --> 01:10:25,050
mean and he's pointing it to like this

1684
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:29,460
you know CGI still and I it's like a

1685
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:31,050
spit-take you know you're taking coffee

1686
01:10:35,419 --> 01:10:32,489
you just spit it all over your monitor

1687
01:10:38,979 --> 01:10:35,429
like what why is that important well

1688
01:10:43,310 --> 01:10:38,989
this is the head of the secret Pentagon

1689
01:10:45,140 --> 01:10:43,320
UFO study and he can't let's just say

1690
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:45,150
DeLong made the the PowerPoint

1691
01:10:50,270 --> 01:10:47,730
presentation and he had no idea if

1692
01:10:53,330 --> 01:10:50,280
you're heading a program like that you

1693
01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:53,340
should be able to look at it and go well

1694
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:55,260
actually that that's that's probably a

1695
01:10:59,540 --> 01:10:57,090
representation that's not an actual

1696
01:11:02,720 --> 01:10:59,550
photo there's actually no known photos

1697
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:02,730
or videos of the 1952 Washington

1698
01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:05,850
sightings that are legit and yet he you

1699
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:08,460
know said oh this is this is absolutely

1700
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:11,040
real it's like Jay Allen Hynek looking

1701
01:11:15,470 --> 01:11:13,050
at a photo of the moon with its craters

1702
01:11:18,020 --> 01:11:15,480
and saying this is a UFO right that we

1703
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,030
just never happen and yet here was

1704
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,400
another example so to go back to what

1705
01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:21,840
you were saying about like is this

1706
01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:24,540
disinformation I don't play that game

1707
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:27,540
that that often about disinfo and this

1708
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:29,070
is some kind of secret

1709
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:31,040
you know agenda that mislead the public

1710
01:11:36,020 --> 01:11:34,110
after I saw that I honestly that's what

1711
01:11:37,549 --> 01:11:36,030
I started leaning towards I'm not ready

1712
01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:37,559
to make that claim don't get me

1713
01:11:43,459 --> 01:11:40,409
but what other way is there to think

1714
01:11:47,529 --> 01:11:43,469
when you have now a pile of red flags

1715
01:11:50,990 --> 01:11:47,539
and then on top of that you have blatant

1716
01:11:52,970 --> 01:11:51,000
you know well we can call it misleading

1717
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:52,980
we'll just call them mistakes I guess

1718
01:11:58,399 --> 01:11:55,440
but you have these these just huge

1719
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:58,409
errors in public education and these

1720
01:12:02,779 --> 01:12:00,960
guys have the spotlight you know more

1721
01:12:05,299 --> 01:12:02,789
than me more than you more than anyone

1722
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:05,309
out there in the UFO field they have the

1723
01:12:09,859 --> 01:12:07,050
spotlight and to be honest with you

1724
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:09,869
they've collected millions of dollars I

1725
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:12,210
did not invest either and I know you did

1726
01:12:17,870 --> 01:12:15,090
not either but they've collected money

1727
01:12:20,270 --> 01:12:17,880
millions of it from people like you and

1728
01:12:23,180 --> 01:12:20,280
I that are interested in the truth that

1729
01:12:26,359 --> 01:12:23,190
do want to know more and they're out

1730
01:12:28,459 --> 01:12:26,369
there misinforming the public not caring

1731
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:28,469
not doing their research however you

1732
01:12:33,890 --> 01:12:30,960
want to look at it any of those

1733
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:33,900
scenarios is bad and that's what they're

1734
01:12:39,049 --> 01:12:35,610
doing and I think it's it's just it's

1735
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:39,059
it's a shame it really is it is and I

1736
01:12:45,770 --> 01:12:43,650
mean I I was looking so forward to to

1737
01:12:47,930 --> 01:12:45,780
all of this John I really was I thought

1738
01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:47,940
this is going to be a big step forward

1739
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:50,460
and every time I think that it's just

1740
01:12:57,020 --> 01:12:53,010
it's three steps back and those people

1741
01:13:00,049 --> 01:12:57,030
who who choose to ignore these things

1742
01:13:02,060 --> 01:13:00,059
you've brought forward and the hesitancy

1743
01:13:03,529 --> 01:13:02,070
of many others as well

1744
01:13:06,620 --> 01:13:03,539
in terms of like their scientific

1745
01:13:09,379 --> 01:13:06,630
research of you know possible alien tech

1746
01:13:11,180 --> 01:13:09,389
or materials we have a lot of scientists

1747
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,190
coming forward and saying they're doing

1748
01:13:17,180 --> 01:13:13,920
it all wrong like they're not this is no

1749
01:13:19,370 --> 01:13:17,190
way you do this and then we have just

1750
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:19,380
everyone everyone is shouting from the

1751
01:13:24,410 --> 01:13:22,320
rooftops be careful and the people who

1752
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,420
aren't being careful are probably the

1753
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:26,400
ones I'm gonna be honest who put money

1754
01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:28,530
into this and they're afraid to admit

1755
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:30,329
that they might he gotten a little in

1756
01:13:33,770 --> 01:13:31,679
over their heads and I think that's what

1757
01:13:35,779 --> 01:13:33,780
has happened with this group as well I

1758
01:13:37,819 --> 01:13:35,789
think they're in over their heads

1759
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:37,829
maybe DeLong had the best of intentions

1760
01:13:45,740 --> 01:13:42,090
but honestly man it seems like he's kind

1761
01:13:47,839 --> 01:13:45,750
of getting played and and we're all sort

1762
01:13:49,779 --> 01:13:47,849
of getting played at this point so yeah

1763
01:13:51,759 --> 01:13:49,789
you know you know I don't know what

1764
01:13:53,379 --> 01:13:51,769
we'll say I don't know I don't know

1765
01:13:56,259 --> 01:13:53,389
either I will say this and I didn't mean

1766
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,269
to jump on you but about Tom DeLonge I

1767
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:58,400
do believe he's genuine I do believe

1768
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:00,320
that you know taking away everyone else

1769
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:03,170
I think Tom DeLonge is a genuine person

1770
01:14:07,660 --> 01:14:05,570
who believes too much you know that I

1771
01:14:09,129 --> 01:14:07,670
think that he I don't want to say

1772
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:09,139
doesn't have the ability cuz I'm sure he

1773
01:14:13,779 --> 01:14:11,449
does but I don't think that he puts in

1774
01:14:16,509 --> 01:14:13,789
the investigation and the time that he

1775
01:14:18,490 --> 01:14:16,519
should have and should at this point

1776
01:14:20,770 --> 01:14:18,500
into some of the things that he says and

1777
01:14:22,529 --> 01:14:20,780
I think the embellishment of you know

1778
01:14:25,629 --> 01:14:22,539
that that kind of stuff is just silly of

1779
01:14:28,270 --> 01:14:25,639
top secret meetings and you know taking

1780
01:14:30,370 --> 01:14:28,280
a picture of a CIA notebook and I mean

1781
01:14:32,020 --> 01:14:30,380
and some of the comments are brutal I

1782
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:32,030
don't mean to laugh but I mean they're

1783
01:14:36,580 --> 01:14:34,730
they have to notice it's not just John

1784
01:14:39,009 --> 01:14:36,590
Greenwald that's out there you know

1785
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:39,019
saying hey there's red flags like when

1786
01:14:43,149 --> 01:14:41,090
you look at a post by you know Tom

1787
01:14:46,379 --> 01:14:43,159
DeLonge or even the to the stars Academy

1788
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:46,389
official page and look at the comments

1789
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:49,280
YouTube it's brutal it really is like I

1790
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:51,170
try and stay professional some of these

1791
01:14:56,890 --> 01:14:53,449
people just go for the jugular and they

1792
01:14:58,209 --> 01:14:56,900
don't care you know and and it's sad I

1793
01:15:00,100 --> 01:14:58,219
mean I think a lot of people have some

1794
01:15:02,290 --> 01:15:00,110
great comments but there's others that

1795
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:02,300
are just brutal and I hope that they I

1796
01:15:06,819 --> 01:15:04,610
hope that they realized that this is a

1797
01:15:09,609 --> 01:15:06,829
great community but it's a community and

1798
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:09,619
they call it a community for a reason

1799
01:15:14,169 --> 01:15:12,320
and I've never been able to confirm if

1800
01:15:16,899 --> 01:15:14,179
they really said this or not but the

1801
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:16,909
consensus from what I understood in the

1802
01:15:21,729 --> 01:15:19,760
early days was that they had risen above

1803
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:21,739
the UFO community and ultimately they

1804
01:15:26,830 --> 01:15:23,690
divorced it I kept hearing the D word

1805
01:15:28,750 --> 01:15:26,840
that they divorced the UFO community and

1806
01:15:30,609 --> 01:15:28,760
that they were ultimately above that

1807
01:15:33,220 --> 01:15:30,619
that they were going for you know

1808
01:15:34,540 --> 01:15:33,230
obviously millions of dollars to be

1809
01:15:36,430 --> 01:15:34,550
raised and they were going to have this

1810
01:15:39,100 --> 01:15:36,440
aerospace division and and they were

1811
01:15:41,020 --> 01:15:39,110
above us peons here in the in the UFO

1812
01:15:43,540 --> 01:15:41,030
community again I'm not saying that I

1813
01:15:46,750 --> 01:15:43,550
found them literally saying that but

1814
01:15:48,759 --> 01:15:46,760
that was the consensus of why they

1815
01:15:50,529 --> 01:15:48,769
weren't talking to not only myself but

1816
01:15:53,109 --> 01:15:50,539
others as well in the field that were

1817
01:15:55,660 --> 01:15:53,119
asking questions that should be asked

1818
01:15:58,330 --> 01:15:55,670
but I tried to man yeah I tried to um

1819
01:16:00,339 --> 01:15:58,340
you know I went to a book signing and I

1820
01:16:01,610 --> 01:16:00,349
got in touch with the PR people and they

1821
01:16:04,910 --> 01:16:01,620
said yes

1822
01:16:07,610 --> 01:16:04,920
and minutes later responded back I said

1823
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:07,620
sorry never mind no you know so they

1824
01:16:12,410 --> 01:16:09,210
probably looked me up and saw that I was

1825
01:16:15,860 --> 01:16:12,420
in the UFO community yeah a mainstream

1826
01:16:17,570 --> 01:16:15,870
vice writer or whatnot yeah but you know

1827
01:16:20,330 --> 01:16:17,580
what's crazy is that is that shows like

1828
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,340
yours that we bring the audience that is

1829
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:22,800
more willing to pull out the checkbook

1830
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:25,770
and write that investment check into

1831
01:16:29,870 --> 01:16:28,320
their corporation why that the marketing

1832
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:29,880
people wouldn't say look this you know

1833
01:16:35,690 --> 01:16:32,850
you may reach 10% of the people you will

1834
01:16:37,130 --> 01:16:35,700
on Vice news but the amount of people

1835
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,140
the percentage of people that will

1836
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:39,600
invest in you if you you know are honest

1837
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:42,360
and have good answers the amount of the

1838
01:16:47,300 --> 01:16:44,610
higher percentage will make it much more

1839
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:47,310
worthwhile that's market you know I mean

1840
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:49,710
if you're it's the it's the basic

1841
01:16:52,850 --> 01:16:51,450
fundamentals of marketing your flyer can

1842
01:16:54,290 --> 01:16:52,860
reach a million people but if the

1843
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:54,300
majority of them aren't interested why

1844
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,370
did you just reach a million people but

1845
01:17:00,620 --> 01:16:58,080
if your flyer reaches a thousand people

1846
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:00,630
if everyone who's interested then all of

1847
01:17:04,490 --> 01:17:02,490
a sudden that thousand people is a lot

1848
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:04,500
more powerful than a million and yet

1849
01:17:10,340 --> 01:17:07,110
they don't really quite understand that

1850
01:17:11,810 --> 01:17:10,350
or understood that but regardless I

1851
01:17:14,030 --> 01:17:11,820
think that these questions need to be

1852
01:17:15,890 --> 01:17:14,040
answered and and here's the bigger point

1853
01:17:17,810 --> 01:17:15,900
to that I'll make hopefully quickly but

1854
01:17:19,700 --> 01:17:17,820
the bigger point is less about the

1855
01:17:21,710 --> 01:17:19,710
investments less about hey mister

1856
01:17:24,020 --> 01:17:21,720
elizondo's making this up or Tom DeLonge

1857
01:17:27,740 --> 01:17:24,030
is easily swindled or you know how HUD

1858
01:17:29,060 --> 01:17:27,750
office is is you know secret covert

1859
01:17:32,030 --> 01:17:29,070
government op or whatever the

1860
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:32,040
conspiracies are beyond all of that I go

1861
01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:33,450
back to the fact that they have the

1862
01:17:39,140 --> 01:17:35,580
spotlight and people like you people

1863
01:17:42,230 --> 01:17:39,150
like me we spend hours days weeks months

1864
01:17:44,420 --> 01:17:42,240
years of Our Lives invested in this

1865
01:17:46,490 --> 01:17:44,430
because it's a passion for them it has

1866
01:17:49,730 --> 01:17:46,500
become a business and I think what they

1867
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:49,740
need to do is realize that they owe the

1868
01:17:54,710 --> 01:17:52,170
community a little bit more in the form

1869
01:17:57,620 --> 01:17:54,720
of honesty and if they're gonna collect

1870
01:18:01,220 --> 01:17:57,630
people's money like they did they need

1871
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:01,230
to be truthful and I fear I truly do

1872
01:18:07,310 --> 01:18:05,250
fear that it's gonna backfire and that

1873
01:18:10,580 --> 01:18:07,320
if if to the stars Academy does have a

1874
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:10,590
slightly malicious intent and they're

1875
01:18:15,049 --> 01:18:12,510
not really on the up-and-up that we

1876
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:15,059
hoped that they would be

1877
01:18:20,660 --> 01:18:17,369
the next time somebody does get an

1878
01:18:23,899 --> 01:18:20,670
important document or uncovers a real

1879
01:18:26,180 --> 01:18:23,909
Pentagon secret UFO study given that a

1880
01:18:28,850 --> 01:18:26,190
tip maybe isn't that are they going to

1881
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:28,860
take us seriously and that is ultimately

1882
01:18:34,129 --> 01:18:31,199
what I think people are forgetting more

1883
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:34,139
than anything else is the longevity of

1884
01:18:38,990 --> 01:18:36,510
this story and that if they are failing

1885
01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:39,000
now the media is not going to take it

1886
01:18:44,569 --> 01:18:41,460
seriously tomorrow now admittedly are

1887
01:18:46,850 --> 01:18:44,579
there more UFO stories sure okay we can

1888
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:46,860
we can say that some people even call it

1889
01:18:53,390 --> 01:18:49,530
the to the stars or T TSA effect do we

1890
01:18:55,580 --> 01:18:53,400
want to call it that okay I guess I

1891
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,590
think people largely miss that UFO

1892
01:18:59,569 --> 01:18:57,360
stories go viral you know whether they

1893
01:19:02,240 --> 01:18:59,579
be about to the stars or not so I think

1894
01:19:04,339 --> 01:19:02,250
a more serious UFO story has a better

1895
01:19:06,379 --> 01:19:04,349
chance of going viral and they make more

1896
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:06,389
money so I think we have to take into

1897
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:07,770
that consideration because we've seen

1898
01:19:13,069 --> 01:19:09,770
that for you know the last ten years

1899
01:19:14,089 --> 01:19:13,079
that's not all to the stars Academy but

1900
01:19:15,950 --> 01:19:14,099
let's just give him the benefit of the

1901
01:19:18,890 --> 01:19:15,960
doubt that they've assured this new era

1902
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:18,900
in my bigger question that leads into my

1903
01:19:24,169 --> 01:19:21,210
point is why hasn't the New York Times

1904
01:19:26,859 --> 01:19:24,179
done eight follow-up stories since the

1905
01:19:29,450 --> 01:19:26,869
December one and they haven't and

1906
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:29,460
honestly I think the reason is is

1907
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:31,530
because now that there's been time to

1908
01:19:36,020 --> 01:19:33,570
research maybe they jumped the gun a

1909
01:19:38,029 --> 01:19:36,030
little bit they realized that it is not

1910
01:19:41,330 --> 01:19:38,039
what they reported so they're letting it

1911
01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:41,340
die there is no reason I don't know if

1912
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,500
it's the number one story but it's got

1913
01:19:47,839 --> 01:19:45,360
to be damn near close of the most

1914
01:19:50,450 --> 01:19:47,849
popular story on the New York Times

1915
01:19:53,140 --> 01:19:50,460
website history because this thing was I

1916
01:19:55,399 --> 01:19:53,150
mean and let's let's face it was insane

1917
01:19:58,689 --> 01:19:55,409
the amount of attention that this got

1918
01:20:01,459 --> 01:19:58,699
they haven't done one follow up come on

1919
01:20:03,939 --> 01:20:01,469
Andy there's only one explanation for

1920
01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:03,949
that and that is they ran the story

1921
01:20:09,169 --> 01:20:07,020
possibly prematurely realize that the

1922
01:20:12,290 --> 01:20:09,179
information was not accurate so they're

1923
01:20:14,959 --> 01:20:12,300
letting it go there you know if again

1924
01:20:18,319 --> 01:20:14,969
basic fundamentals of marketing if you

1925
01:20:20,899 --> 01:20:18,329
have a great you know show with a great

1926
01:20:23,359 --> 01:20:20,909
guest will you never revisit that topic

1927
01:20:23,870 --> 01:20:23,369
or that guest ever again no of course

1928
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:23,880
not

1929
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:25,440
you're gonna bring them back and you're

1930
01:20:28,890 --> 01:20:27,090
gonna you do another show and you're

1931
01:20:30,690 --> 01:20:28,900
gonna you know again

1932
01:20:32,190 --> 01:20:30,700
basic fundamentals of marketing you're

1933
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:32,200
gonna make sure that you milk that as

1934
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:33,040
much as you can

1935
01:20:36,570 --> 01:20:34,330
I'm not trying to put you on the spot

1936
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:36,580
but that's that's kind of like how that

1937
01:20:42,090 --> 01:20:39,520
whole thing works yeah yeah oh yeah yeah

1938
01:20:44,220 --> 01:20:42,100
and so for the New York Times to get the

1939
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:44,230
amount of attention and never do a

1940
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:46,480
follow up the only major follow up was

1941
01:20:50,850 --> 01:20:48,970
an op-ed that was you know written by it

1942
01:20:53,130 --> 01:20:50,860
to the Stars Academy board member

1943
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:53,140
published in Washington Post hey look

1944
01:20:57,690 --> 01:20:55,360
and that's not all a bad thing but why

1945
01:21:00,090 --> 01:20:57,700
like why wouldn't all of these

1946
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:00,100
newspapers do multiple follow-ups and

1947
01:21:04,980 --> 01:21:02,410
they're not and I think it's because now

1948
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:04,990
you you do have way too many questions

1949
01:21:10,860 --> 01:21:08,530
and red flags and documents and and one

1950
01:21:12,810 --> 01:21:10,870
thing I'll add quickly about the Freedom

1951
01:21:15,150 --> 01:21:12,820
of Information Act and documents related

1952
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:15,160
about a tip again this I'm not trying to

1953
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:16,690
come off as pat me on the back for this

1954
01:21:22,530 --> 01:21:20,080
but I was able to secure the only real

1955
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:22,540
document that has come out under the

1956
01:21:26,910 --> 01:21:24,730
FOIA not public record because I know

1957
01:21:29,310 --> 01:21:26,920
there's a congressional document but

1958
01:21:32,450 --> 01:21:29,320
under the FOIA that referenced a tip and

1959
01:21:35,420 --> 01:21:32,460
this came from the intellipedia system

1960
01:21:37,950 --> 01:21:35,430
within the National Security Agency and

1961
01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:37,960
intellipedia is like Wikipedia you know

1962
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:39,910
we all use that on the internet the

1963
01:21:45,570 --> 01:21:42,130
intelligence community uses the exact

1964
01:21:48,300 --> 01:21:45,580
same infrastructure however its internal

1965
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:48,310
written by people with clearances for

1966
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:50,170
the most part there's three different

1967
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:52,930
systems of intellipedia and it's like

1968
01:21:58,830 --> 01:21:55,530
wikipedia articles references

1969
01:22:01,200 --> 01:21:58,840
information when I first filed a FOIA

1970
01:22:03,660 --> 01:22:01,210
request in December I received a no

1971
01:22:05,940 --> 01:22:03,670
records response not a single page in

1972
01:22:09,390 --> 01:22:05,950
the entire and Telep edia systems in all

1973
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:09,400
three referenced a tip months later I

1974
01:22:15,660 --> 01:22:11,410
actually was able to get a document

1975
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:15,670
Declassified that did reference a tip

1976
01:22:21,420 --> 01:22:18,730
and did come from the National Security

1977
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:21,430
Agency it was from intellipedia they had

1978
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:24,850
updated it finally in late December

1979
01:22:33,330 --> 01:22:29,280
early January and the acronym was

1980
01:22:35,940 --> 01:22:33,340
advanced aviation threat identification

1981
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:35,950
program why is it important because the

1982
01:22:40,740 --> 01:22:38,650
New York Times was largely sourced for

1983
01:22:42,510 --> 01:22:40,750
what this author who had a top-secret

1984
01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:42,520
clearance we know this because it was

1985
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:42,790
the

1986
01:22:55,290 --> 01:22:52,510
Times as a reference which said

1987
01:22:58,230 --> 01:22:55,300
aerospace they changed it to aviation

1988
01:23:00,570 --> 01:22:58,240
now why is that in my opinion because

1989
01:23:02,220 --> 01:23:00,580
that's the real name and so that is an

1990
01:23:04,700 --> 01:23:02,230
official as the only one at this point

1991
01:23:07,140 --> 01:23:04,710
will it come out that it is aerospace

1992
01:23:09,870 --> 01:23:07,150
possibly and then you know a couple

1993
01:23:12,150 --> 01:23:09,880
people that hate me for bringing up some

1994
01:23:14,070 --> 01:23:12,160
of these points will attack me on

1995
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:14,080
Twitter and Facebook I'm sure and say

1996
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:16,570
see we told you and that could very well

1997
01:23:20,340 --> 01:23:18,130
be true I'm not saying that it's

1998
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:20,350
aviation all I'm saying is all the

1999
01:23:25,470 --> 01:23:22,960
evidence points to that it is and that

2000
01:23:28,260 --> 01:23:25,480
negates mr. elizondo's testimony and

2001
01:23:31,530 --> 01:23:28,270
ultimately questions who he says he is

2002
01:23:32,130 --> 01:23:31,540
so well you know time will tell with

2003
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:32,140
that

2004
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:34,690
sadly the Defense Intelligence Agency is

2005
01:23:39,090 --> 01:23:37,360
largely backlogged on FOIA requests

2006
01:23:41,130 --> 01:23:39,100
that's the reason we don't have more

2007
01:23:43,260 --> 01:23:41,140
documents I don't believe it's a

2008
01:23:46,350 --> 01:23:43,270
cover-up of any kind I've dealt with the

2009
01:23:49,950 --> 01:23:46,360
DIA for years and years now they've

2010
01:23:52,230 --> 01:23:49,960
always been backlogged and it might be

2011
01:23:55,140 --> 01:23:52,240
another year plus before something comes

2012
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:55,150
out not being a cover-up but again just

2013
01:23:59,190 --> 01:23:56,800
because of the amount of backlog that

2014
01:24:02,370 --> 01:23:59,200
they have at this point dude all we can

2015
01:24:06,750 --> 01:24:02,380
do is kind of sit back and see where the

2016
01:24:09,690 --> 01:24:06,760
ship crashes but I maybe we'll get some

2017
01:24:11,540 --> 01:24:09,700
good you know documentaries or TV shows

2018
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:11,550
out of it purely for entertainment

2019
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:14,320
purposes so at the end of the day that's

2020
01:24:17,850 --> 01:24:16,090
what Tom DeLonge is he's an entertainer

2021
01:24:20,370 --> 01:24:17,860
and if this is going to be the way to

2022
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:20,380
get some cool UFO out there I'm all

2023
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:22,810
for it but the way things are looking

2024
01:24:29,490 --> 01:24:27,520
I don't know I I I'm interested but like

2025
01:24:31,530 --> 01:24:29,500
you said we may not know for a very long

2026
01:24:35,370 --> 01:24:31,540
time if there's any documentation on

2027
01:24:37,380 --> 01:24:35,380
this but I want to sort of wrap things

2028
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:37,390
up here in terms of documentation with

2029
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:40,570
something you recently obtained that you

2030
01:24:45,300 --> 01:24:43,090
have been working your ass off for for a

2031
01:24:48,030 --> 01:24:45,310
very long time so let's know the way

2032
01:24:50,190 --> 01:24:48,040
from UFOs it's depressing the out

2033
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:50,200
of me in terms of to the stars and

2034
01:24:53,850 --> 01:24:52,330
that's nothing to do with you or drink

2035
01:24:56,340 --> 01:24:53,860
yeah

2036
01:24:57,540 --> 01:24:56,350
sip that whiskey my man

2037
01:24:58,830 --> 01:24:57,550
that doesn't have to do with you it's

2038
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:58,840
the fact that there are so many red

2039
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:00,880
flags and we need people to point those

2040
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:03,730
out or or we're doomed we're all doomed

2041
01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:07,450
to live this delusion so let's move to

2042
01:25:13,980 --> 01:25:10,990
something that is real is factual is

2043
01:25:16,670 --> 01:25:13,990
proven and that is something pertaining

2044
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:16,680
to the CIA and this behavioral

2045
01:25:22,770 --> 01:25:19,570
modification program what did you find

2046
01:25:25,650 --> 01:25:22,780
how long did you fight for this man and

2047
01:25:27,900 --> 01:25:25,660
what can we take away from it the story

2048
01:25:30,140 --> 01:25:27,910
actually goes back to 1999 if you can

2049
01:25:34,050 --> 01:25:30,150
believe it and I my connection to

2050
01:25:35,730 --> 01:25:34,060
MKULTRA and mind control was aiming to

2051
01:25:38,430 --> 01:25:35,740
get not only those documents

2052
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:38,440
Declassified but ultimately put online

2053
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:40,480
and don't get me wrong I was not the

2054
01:25:43,410 --> 01:25:41,890
only one fighting for this there was a

2055
01:25:48,630 --> 01:25:43,420
laundry list of people that were doing

2056
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:48,640
so and finally in finally in about 2003

2057
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:54,490
2004 I was given a four CD ROM set that

2058
01:25:59,760 --> 01:25:55,650
what I was under the impression

2059
01:26:03,510 --> 01:25:59,770
contained all 30 plus thousand pages

2060
01:26:05,790 --> 01:26:03,520
that were on mind control and MKULTRA

2061
01:26:11,130 --> 01:26:05,800
now obviously that's a show in itself

2062
01:26:13,850 --> 01:26:11,140
but the CIA had largely destroyed by the

2063
01:26:17,670 --> 01:26:13,860
direction of CIA director Richard Helms

2064
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:17,680
the majority or what he thought all of

2065
01:26:22,650 --> 01:26:20,320
the MKULTRA mind control experiments the

2066
01:26:24,690 --> 01:26:22,660
experiments were awful a lot of times

2067
01:26:27,150 --> 01:26:24,700
they were testing on people without

2068
01:26:29,490 --> 01:26:27,160
their knowledge ended up killing dr.

2069
01:26:32,340 --> 01:26:29,500
Frank Olson who was a CIA scientist at

2070
01:26:35,780 --> 01:26:32,350
the time connected back to a test they

2071
01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:35,790
did with LSD it's really it's it's an

2072
01:26:41,220 --> 01:26:39,490
awful but it's an amazing story and a

2073
01:26:43,950 --> 01:26:41,230
documentary on Netflix that appeared in

2074
01:26:46,530 --> 01:26:43,960
the last year too called wormwood is on

2075
01:26:49,950 --> 01:26:46,540
that very yeah it's on that very topic

2076
01:26:50,820 --> 01:26:49,960
and it was well done they interview Dr

2077
01:26:54,570 --> 01:26:50,830
Frank Olsen's

2078
01:26:55,620 --> 01:26:54,580
son Erik Olson and and and to hear him

2079
01:26:57,330 --> 01:26:55,630
talk about his dad and what he went

2080
01:26:59,250 --> 01:26:57,340
through and and of course the CIA

2081
01:27:00,900 --> 01:26:59,260
labeled it a suicide but there's a lot

2082
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:00,910
of question marks did the CIA throw him

2083
01:27:08,100 --> 01:27:03,690
out of window I mean it really is a

2084
01:27:10,090 --> 01:27:08,110
crazy story so fast-forward from 2004 so

2085
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:10,100
I dumped those four cd-roms

2086
01:27:14,740 --> 01:27:12,080
the Internet and that's kind of my

2087
01:27:16,510 --> 01:27:14,750
connection to MKULTRA I for many years

2088
01:27:18,940 --> 01:27:16,520
was the only place to get them now

2089
01:27:21,250 --> 01:27:18,950
they've been copied and you know put all

2090
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:21,260
over the place but when they were first

2091
01:27:24,220 --> 01:27:21,890
released

2092
01:27:30,610 --> 01:27:24,230
I had dumped them all online and at the

2093
01:27:32,590 --> 01:27:30,620
time in 2004 it was a over a 1.1 gigs of

2094
01:27:34,930 --> 01:27:32,600
information now nowadays that's like wow

2095
01:27:36,970 --> 01:27:34,940
I can download that in 8 seconds back

2096
01:27:39,220 --> 01:27:36,980
then I mean you know this was 14 years

2097
01:27:41,380 --> 01:27:39,230
ago I was a little bit different so I

2098
01:27:44,410 --> 01:27:41,390
had dedicated servers to host all that I

2099
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:44,420
dumped it all online and in a way it

2100
01:27:49,390 --> 01:27:47,030
went well in addition with those four CD

2101
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:49,400
ROMs was an index and the index was

2102
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:51,890
supposed to serve to show you all of the

2103
01:27:56,230 --> 01:27:54,410
document numbers on all four CD ROMs and

2104
01:27:59,230 --> 01:27:56,240
break down what it was

2105
01:28:02,440 --> 01:27:59,240
I never went line for line but fast

2106
01:28:05,530 --> 01:28:02,450
forward to 2016 researcher by the name

2107
01:28:08,890 --> 01:28:05,540
of Oscar Diggs did go line by line and

2108
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:08,900
went through that entire 85 page index

2109
01:28:15,150 --> 01:28:13,130
and matched up the thousands of images

2110
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:15,160
that were on all four CD ROMs and

2111
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:18,530
compiled a list of missing documents he

2112
01:28:22,690 --> 01:28:19,970
sent it to me and said this is what I

2113
01:28:25,690 --> 01:28:22,700
did I was like wow that's pretty amazing

2114
01:28:30,910 --> 01:28:25,700
actually I cross-referenced it is about

2115
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:30,920
308 possibly 309 pages it was estimated

2116
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:32,690
to be a couple thousand pages but there

2117
01:28:37,630 --> 01:28:35,600
was no way for us to know for sure I

2118
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:37,640
started spot checking it the guy was

2119
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:39,110
right on I mean the documents were not

2120
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:42,080
there so I filed a FOIA request in March

2121
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:46,370
of 2016 for those 308 309 documents I

2122
01:28:53,380 --> 01:28:49,730
had no idea that the CIA would push back

2123
01:28:55,660 --> 01:28:53,390
and push back hard on getting a hold of

2124
01:28:59,140 --> 01:28:55,670
those documents and through the course

2125
01:29:01,120 --> 01:28:59,150
of over two and a half years it took me

2126
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:01,130
a long time to prove to the CIA that

2127
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:03,530
those documents were missing they

2128
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:06,050
claimed they were on the CD so I went

2129
01:29:11,020 --> 01:29:08,410
back and actually triple checked and

2130
01:29:13,870 --> 01:29:11,030
nothing was on the CD ROMs now why am I

2131
01:29:16,270 --> 01:29:13,880
saying this well if they were not on the

2132
01:29:18,670 --> 01:29:16,280
cd-rom and I was able to prove it they

2133
01:29:21,700 --> 01:29:18,680
would give them to me for free because I

2134
01:29:24,339 --> 01:29:21,710
paid for those CDs and I was told

2135
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:24,349
everything on MKULTRA was on it

2136
01:29:29,950 --> 01:29:26,960
they said nope they're on it they're on

2137
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:29,960
it fought I finally had to create like a

2138
01:29:38,939 --> 01:29:36,320
95 page fax literally a fax of 95 pages

2139
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:38,949
that broke down the entire directory

2140
01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:42,800
contents of all four CDs and proved to

2141
01:29:48,250 --> 01:29:45,710
them that the documents were were gone

2142
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:48,260
all of a sudden CIA changed their story

2143
01:29:52,990 --> 01:29:51,110
ah my FOIA case officer they won't even

2144
01:29:54,729 --> 01:29:53,000
tell me and this is unheard of he won't

2145
01:29:57,700 --> 01:29:54,739
even tell me his first name you won't

2146
01:30:01,330 --> 01:29:57,710
even tell me who he is and not the

2147
01:30:03,970 --> 01:30:01,340
nicest person would not acknowledge then

2148
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:03,980
that I was right he then said the reason

2149
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:05,090
why you don't have those is they're on

2150
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:08,570
behavioral modification not on MKULTRA

2151
01:30:12,879 --> 01:30:11,090
or mind control and I thought well well

2152
01:30:15,490 --> 01:30:12,889
you know that doesn't make sense

2153
01:30:19,810 --> 01:30:15,500
so to summarize that again this is going

2154
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:19,820
on for literally years he then said you

2155
01:30:25,450 --> 01:30:23,210
have 4358 pages that you need to pay for

2156
01:30:28,209 --> 01:30:25,460
those were the missing documents they

2157
01:30:30,700 --> 01:30:28,219
were not on mind control not on MKULTRA

2158
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:30,710
but rather this behavioral modification

2159
01:30:38,290 --> 01:30:34,489
and so I crouched and vice news covered

2160
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:38,300
it my fight Newsweek covered it I raised

2161
01:30:42,669 --> 01:30:41,360
the money in like a day and so I you

2162
01:30:44,859 --> 01:30:42,679
know I'm it wasn't a ton of money but

2163
01:30:47,260 --> 01:30:44,869
the kind of stuff adds up you know and

2164
01:30:49,899 --> 01:30:47,270
so I I sent the check two and a half

2165
01:30:53,620 --> 01:30:49,909
more months go by they sent my check

2166
01:30:55,930 --> 01:30:53,630
back with a stack of pages about 800

2167
01:30:58,300 --> 01:30:55,940
pages all our mind control and MKULTRA

2168
01:31:02,290 --> 01:30:58,310
their letter stated they made a mistake

2169
01:31:06,250 --> 01:31:02,300
that the 800 you know pages were mine

2170
01:31:08,740 --> 01:31:06,260
for free and then all of a sudden about

2171
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:08,750
twelve hundred and forty five pages of

2172
01:31:13,330 --> 01:31:11,810
that page count disappeared they said

2173
01:31:17,919 --> 01:31:13,340
now there's only two thousand three

2174
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:17,929
hundred and sixteen so again 1245

2175
01:31:22,209 --> 01:31:20,810
disappeared if that original 800 I'm

2176
01:31:24,339 --> 01:31:22,219
giving them the benefit of the doubt if

2177
01:31:27,910 --> 01:31:24,349
that original 800 came out of that

2178
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:27,920
number it's only 12:45 if it didn't it's

2179
01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:29,810
over two thousand pages that just

2180
01:31:32,350 --> 01:31:30,560
vanished

2181
01:31:34,990 --> 01:31:32,360
then they said it's two thousand three

2182
01:31:36,700 --> 01:31:35,000
hundred and sixteen pages so I had to

2183
01:31:37,810 --> 01:31:36,710
write another check why they thought

2184
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:37,820
that they couldn't

2185
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:40,010
you know cash my first one and you know

2186
01:31:44,020 --> 01:31:41,570
send me a check or something at least

2187
01:31:45,630 --> 01:31:44,030
process it or you know do something I

2188
01:31:48,940 --> 01:31:45,640
mean this is going on for years

2189
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:48,950
finally in the last two weeks I actually

2190
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:52,930
got the entire stack of behavioral

2191
01:31:58,300 --> 01:31:56,210
modification documents and they're

2192
01:32:03,270 --> 01:31:58,310
pretty extraordinary to look through

2193
01:32:06,460 --> 01:32:03,280
they deal with hypnosis they deal with

2194
01:32:09,390 --> 01:32:06,470
mind-altering drugs research that they

2195
01:32:12,430 --> 01:32:09,400
were doing on mice on dogs animals

2196
01:32:16,540 --> 01:32:12,440
seeing what kind of effects that they

2197
01:32:19,570 --> 01:32:16,550
can get it it it's sickening in a way

2198
01:32:23,980 --> 01:32:19,580
but it's an amazing research to look

2199
01:32:26,230 --> 01:32:23,990
into I have reason to believe that the

2200
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:26,240
majority of these documents have never

2201
01:32:32,020 --> 01:32:29,450
seen the light of day before that there

2202
01:32:36,010 --> 01:32:32,030
are project names in these documents

2203
01:32:38,890 --> 01:32:36,020
that remain classified this contradicts

2204
01:32:40,260 --> 01:32:38,900
the overall narrative by the CIA that

2205
01:32:43,480 --> 01:32:40,270
they've released everything on

2206
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:43,490
mind-control behavioral modification and

2207
01:32:48,010 --> 01:32:45,890
so on and yet in these documents our

2208
01:32:51,190 --> 01:32:48,020
project names that they won't even tell

2209
01:32:53,890 --> 01:32:51,200
you the names and so these are I believe

2210
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:53,900
kind of the tip of the iceberg to some

2211
01:32:59,800 --> 01:32:57,770
really dark sinister stuff that the you

2212
01:33:02,560 --> 01:32:59,810
know that the government is doing oddly

2213
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:02,570
as well 35 percent

2214
01:33:09,250 --> 01:33:06,050
there was 821 pages which is about 35

2215
01:33:12,970 --> 01:33:09,260
percent of this release that dealt with

2216
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:12,980
you guessed it MKULTRA and mind-control

2217
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:15,770
that they still charged me for and they

2218
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:18,890
lied yet again about what the documents

2219
01:33:23,410 --> 01:33:21,290
contained that's important because I

2220
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:23,420
they charged me for him and they told me

2221
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:26,210
that that that I was not supposed to pay

2222
01:33:33,460 --> 01:33:30,050
for anything in regards to MKULTRA so I

2223
01:33:35,260 --> 01:33:33,470
have appealed that and in a weird turn

2224
01:33:39,010 --> 01:33:35,270
of events here like literally in the

2225
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:39,020
last 48 hours the CIA called me left a

2226
01:33:45,790 --> 01:33:42,650
voicemail like 6 a.m. almost on the

2227
01:33:49,210 --> 01:33:45,800
button and they they refused to process

2228
01:33:51,610 --> 01:33:49,220
my appeal and they said that my case was

2229
01:33:54,910 --> 01:33:51,620
closed which actually in Maya

2230
01:33:57,550 --> 01:33:54,920
is a going against the law that I

2231
01:33:58,660 --> 01:33:57,560
actually have appeal rights yeah it's

2232
01:34:02,440 --> 01:33:58,670
really bizarre

2233
01:34:05,470 --> 01:34:02,450
it really is and yeah I'm reason I don't

2234
01:34:08,410 --> 01:34:05,480
know I mean I wish I knew I've called

2235
01:34:09,850 --> 01:34:08,420
him back and again without this is why I

2236
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:09,860
brought up that the guy won't even give

2237
01:34:15,670 --> 01:34:11,810
me his name I've talked to him before

2238
01:34:16,690 --> 01:34:15,680
months ago and it got heated on the

2239
01:34:17,500 --> 01:34:16,700
phone like I was trying to remain

2240
01:34:19,900 --> 01:34:17,510
professional I'm like you don't

2241
01:34:21,490 --> 01:34:19,910
understand like I pay your paycheck yeah

2242
01:34:23,470 --> 01:34:21,500
you know what I mean like like you're

2243
01:34:26,860 --> 01:34:23,480
not doing me a favor here this is your

2244
01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:26,870
job I don't get paid for this I have

2245
01:34:30,850 --> 01:34:28,880
wasted hours and hours and hours of my

2246
01:34:33,100 --> 01:34:30,860
time let alone the time that the

2247
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:33,110
original researcher did on his die you

2248
01:34:37,990 --> 01:34:35,450
know on his time you know this isn't fun

2249
01:34:39,130 --> 01:34:38,000
for me and the guy was was rude I mean

2250
01:34:41,020 --> 01:34:39,140
there's really no other way to put it

2251
01:34:43,510 --> 01:34:41,030
well it's the same gentleman that called

2252
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:43,520
back he refuses to give his name so when

2253
01:34:48,130 --> 01:34:45,410
I called the hotline they call it a FOIA

2254
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:48,140
hotline for the CIA there is a nice

2255
01:34:52,780 --> 01:34:49,850
gentleman that does answer the phone I

2256
01:34:54,730 --> 01:34:52,790
know what his name is but he like you

2257
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:54,740
can't even get transferred to the guys

2258
01:34:58,780 --> 01:34:57,170
desk like like they won't even they'll

2259
01:35:01,750 --> 01:34:58,790
say okay we'll pass it to your case

2260
01:35:03,340 --> 01:35:01,760
manager and he will call you and it's

2261
01:35:06,970 --> 01:35:03,350
like you it's like you're calling some

2262
01:35:08,890 --> 01:35:06,980
dark bunker and Beirut no I mean like

2263
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:08,900
that's how this one guy acts and it's

2264
01:35:12,910 --> 01:35:10,730
like come on man you're you're you're a

2265
01:35:14,620 --> 01:35:12,920
FOIA officer there's not a single agency

2266
01:35:17,620 --> 01:35:14,630
where the officers don't give me their

2267
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:17,630
name and so I was told the case was

2268
01:35:22,750 --> 01:35:20,570
closed so the nice the nice gentleman on

2269
01:35:25,150 --> 01:35:22,760
the phone told me why don't you resend

2270
01:35:27,430 --> 01:35:25,160
your letter it will come in through the

2271
01:35:28,690 --> 01:35:27,440
fax five feet from my desk and I will

2272
01:35:31,570 --> 01:35:28,700
take it up the chain of command but

2273
01:35:33,970 --> 01:35:31,580
don't make it an appeal so I said okay

2274
01:35:35,890 --> 01:35:33,980
and so I stripped out the appeal you

2275
01:35:38,290 --> 01:35:35,900
know words and we'll see if I get a

2276
01:35:39,730 --> 01:35:38,300
response but to go back to your question

2277
01:35:40,570 --> 01:35:39,740
how can they do that I really honestly

2278
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:40,580
don't know

2279
01:35:44,980 --> 01:35:43,010
I've talked to two FOIA attorneys that

2280
01:35:48,580 --> 01:35:44,990
have become friends and acquaintances of

2281
01:35:50,650 --> 01:35:48,590
mine in the last you know 20 years and I

2282
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:50,660
very rarely try to bother them but this

2283
01:35:54,970 --> 01:35:52,370
was one that I reached out to both of

2284
01:35:57,490 --> 01:35:54,980
them both of them agreed they cannot do

2285
01:35:59,200 --> 01:35:57,500
this so I am NOT an attorney but I've

2286
01:36:01,600 --> 01:35:59,210
learned enough about the law to kind of

2287
01:36:04,630 --> 01:36:01,610
work my way around it but these attorney

2288
01:36:05,170 --> 01:36:04,640
said now they they can't do that so what

2289
01:36:08,020 --> 01:36:05,180
it is

2290
01:36:09,700 --> 01:36:08,030
these documents and and you know the

2291
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:09,710
topic with the CIA

2292
01:36:14,740 --> 01:36:12,250
you could tell it really struck a nerve

2293
01:36:16,660 --> 01:36:14,750
well in the fact that a lot of the the

2294
01:36:19,150 --> 01:36:16,670
project names are still classified I

2295
01:36:20,770 --> 01:36:19,160
mean that's not that uncommon I mean

2296
01:36:23,020 --> 01:36:20,780
things remain classified for a really

2297
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:23,030
long time but even after they're

2298
01:36:27,070 --> 01:36:25,520
finished but it could you know again I

2299
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:27,080
don't want to get too conspiratorial I

2300
01:36:32,140 --> 01:36:30,050
mean they're still going on you you

2301
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:32,150
mentioned I cut you off there there's a

2302
01:36:37,780 --> 01:36:34,970
missing document yeah John they son it

2303
01:36:40,150 --> 01:36:37,790
sounds a little odd to me yeah and and

2304
01:36:42,100 --> 01:36:40,160
that's with this particular one the

2305
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:42,110
you're right the project names being

2306
01:36:49,030 --> 01:36:45,410
classified is not necessarily that big

2307
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:49,040
of a deal with this specific topic it is

2308
01:36:53,770 --> 01:36:51,440
a big deal simply because there are been

2309
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:53,780
congressional hearings about a lot of

2310
01:36:58,720 --> 01:36:56,330
this mind-control MKULTRA you know

2311
01:37:01,330 --> 01:36:58,730
testing with drugs and stuff so a lot of

2312
01:37:03,850 --> 01:37:01,340
that was forced to be declassified and

2313
01:37:06,100 --> 01:37:03,860
the CIA has always maintained that they

2314
01:37:08,650 --> 01:37:06,110
have released these records so let's say

2315
01:37:10,990 --> 01:37:08,660
you know the Oscar Diggs the original

2316
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:11,000
researcher who compiled this list did

2317
01:37:15,490 --> 01:37:12,770
not do that I did not go after these

2318
01:37:18,190 --> 01:37:15,500
documents and it has remained the for

2319
01:37:20,260 --> 01:37:18,200
cd-rom set if you were to file a FOIA

2320
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:20,270
request they would give you that same

2321
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:23,330
set the reason why I bring that up is

2322
01:37:29,260 --> 01:37:27,410
that is a largely incomplete document

2323
01:37:31,690 --> 01:37:29,270
archive that the CIA is selling to the

2324
01:37:34,060 --> 01:37:31,700
public and yet they're doing so saying

2325
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:34,070
that it is complete and why is that

2326
01:37:39,610 --> 01:37:37,010
important because there is a huge amount

2327
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:39,620
of history in these thousands of pages

2328
01:37:44,440 --> 01:37:42,080
that I just got that shows that it goes

2329
01:37:46,990 --> 01:37:44,450
much deeper than what they claim is the

2330
01:37:49,900 --> 01:37:47,000
whole story you follow me on that that

2331
01:37:52,780 --> 01:37:49,910
that that for literally decades they

2332
01:37:55,090 --> 01:37:52,790
have said you know we here's our full

2333
01:37:58,120 --> 01:37:55,100
story this is everything we've compiled

2334
01:38:00,550 --> 01:37:58,130
the cd-rom set yet behind the scenes I

2335
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:00,560
mean look it took this many years for

2336
01:38:04,990 --> 01:38:02,090
somebody to finally look at that index

2337
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:05,000
and go line by line and realize it's far

2338
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:07,280
from complete and then on top of that

2339
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:09,730
project names that remain classified

2340
01:38:15,580 --> 01:38:12,290
that shows there's much more to this

2341
01:38:18,490 --> 01:38:15,590
story a lot more research needs to be

2342
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:18,500
done and and those classified project

2343
01:38:20,890 --> 01:38:19,010
names I'm

2344
01:38:23,500 --> 01:38:20,900
to go after to see if I can get them you

2345
01:38:25,270 --> 01:38:23,510
know Declassified but when you look at

2346
01:38:27,850 --> 01:38:25,280
it you realize these are just the

2347
01:38:31,630 --> 01:38:27,860
documents that appeared on that original

2348
01:38:34,630 --> 01:38:31,640
index and the point that I make with

2349
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:34,640
that is that that's just that index

2350
01:38:40,030 --> 01:38:37,850
there could be tens of thousands of

2351
01:38:42,700 --> 01:38:40,040
other records on these classified

2352
01:38:46,330 --> 01:38:42,710
project names that have never seen the

2353
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:46,340
light of day at all ever and may not for

2354
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:48,290
many years to come who knows but there

2355
01:38:52,990 --> 01:38:50,810
are probably a lot more pages to really

2356
01:38:55,260 --> 01:38:53,000
show what they're doing and you might be

2357
01:38:58,660 --> 01:38:55,270
right maybe even to this day who knows

2358
01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:58,670
yeah maybe we only scratch the surface

2359
01:39:03,580 --> 01:39:01,760
but I have just started looking at the

2360
01:39:05,140 --> 01:39:03,590
documents on this John on your website

2361
01:39:08,650 --> 01:39:05,150
so you know wrapping things up here

2362
01:39:11,050 --> 01:39:08,660
where where can we find the website and

2363
01:39:12,910 --> 01:39:11,060
your radio show this is sort of a newer

2364
01:39:15,670 --> 01:39:12,920
endeavor you've brought the black vault

2365
01:39:18,670 --> 01:39:15,680
to life online in podcast and radio

2366
01:39:20,860 --> 01:39:18,680
forms so please give those to us before

2367
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:20,870
we leave here sure sure I and I

2368
01:40:13,150 --> 01:39:22,730
appreciate that so it's really easy if

2369
01:40:14,770 --> 01:40:13,160
you go to www.ncpc.org/getreal it ended

2370
01:40:17,310 --> 01:40:14,780
up being like two and a half hours long

2371
01:40:19,630 --> 01:40:17,320
I didn't mean for it was you know I

2372
01:40:23,290 --> 01:40:19,640
appreciate that but I just kind of did a

2373
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:23,300
you know a real story an expose based on

2374
01:40:28,540 --> 01:40:25,730
documents you know and then the facts as

2375
01:40:31,690 --> 01:40:28,550
we know it all the way up to the claims

2376
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:31,700
of you know mr. Elizondo and and what

2377
01:40:35,550 --> 01:40:32,650
the pentagon says

2378
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:35,560
what he says how in some cases they you

2379
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:38,560
know collide and and and and contradict

2380
01:40:43,260 --> 01:40:41,290
each other so I have fun in that respect

2381
01:40:46,380 --> 01:40:43,270
doing that show and it got got kind of a

2382
01:40:48,150 --> 01:40:46,390
lot of a lot of comments and and

2383
01:40:50,610 --> 01:40:48,160
download so I wasn't sure how that would

2384
01:40:52,890 --> 01:40:50,620
go over cuz generally I do bring guests

2385
01:40:54,440 --> 01:40:52,900
on and let guests speak and this was the

2386
01:40:57,900 --> 01:40:54,450
first time I just kind of did an

2387
01:40:59,640 --> 01:40:57,910
information only show so you'll see that

2388
01:41:01,650 --> 01:40:59,650
on the right-hand side near the top

2389
01:41:03,150 --> 01:41:01,660
you'll see the logo for the black vault

2390
01:41:06,750 --> 01:41:03,160
radio and then you can download all of

2391
01:41:09,330 --> 01:41:06,760
the episodes again you know I sort of

2392
01:41:12,510 --> 01:41:09,340
look at this whole topic with both

2393
01:41:14,490 --> 01:41:12,520
skeptical eyes and open eyes but at the

2394
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:14,500
end of the day when when I visit your

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site and I read between the lines of

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these documents that's when I truly

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think there's something to this there

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are things being hidden there are things

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not being hidden and somewhere in

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between those is you know I think that

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truth that both you and I are and so

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many other people are trying to look for

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so I have learned so much tonight from

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this conversation and I know it's only

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begun our conversation and the greater

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conversation to still be had on all of

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this so once again man I have to thank

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you for coming on someone this guy's I

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appreciate them at anytime anytime you

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want to have a chat you know where to

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find me that's it for this week's

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episode again all of John Green Walt's

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work can be found at the black fault

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you here next week and remember keep

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your feet on the ground but never stop

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